I'm Virginia, hello!
I have Stage 4 DLBCL that has spread to my right leg and completly destroyed 4 inches of tibia. Very aggressive little DLBCL blighter!
I'm keen to hear if anyone else here has had that type of metastasis?
Thank you so much for listening to me, Id like to just talk a little bit about what's happening if that's OK. I'm alone and I haven't had any opportunity to talk with anyone else with the same disease at all.
I'm coping well under the circumstances. Of course Im human so I have low days, but for the most part I just get on with it it. As hard as it is.
Fiends just don't get it! Have you experienced that? They don't understand. And have no notion of how to support. I guess most see cancer as just the flu these days!
Some have disappeared completely, and some contact me with a blase` "How are you" sentence once every couple of months. They have no concept of what I'm going through with chemo and my leg. When all the time you're fighting for your life and feeling terrible with side effects, their flippant occasional 'how are you' seems so empty. To be honest I find it insulting.
Have you had the same experience?
Also I found something quite amazing happened and I'm keen to hear if this has happened to you too. I have about 5 extremely close friends, and the ones I really thought would be there for me to support me emotionally and with their hearts, completely disappeared, and to be honest the friends I thought wouldn't really care very much have turned around and been the most supportive. It's extraordinary. But very strangely not one of them has offered to do my weekly shopping for me. They know I'm in a wheelchair and I can't get out, and I can't go to the shops. This I find really extraordinary.
If I had a friend who was alone and incapacitated and immobile, the LEAST I would do for them is do their shopping once a week. I mean, how hard is that?
So it's just amazing to me that no one has ever offered! And believe it or not, shopping is one of the most challenging parts of this cancer experience. I'm forced to online shop and the shops set high minimums and put their prices up. And they don't have the more affordable ranges in full online.
Another phenomenon is that I look well in my face, and I think people imagine that I'm making it all up. It's so frustrating!!! I don't know why my face doesn't look haggard and ill from all the drugs and illness, but it just doesn't. I suppose people have a preconceived idea of what someone with stage 4 cancer should look like. I get the same reaction from everybody. People think I'm lying. Thank God the doctors and nurses know the reality. Have you had this experience too? People shocked that you seem to look well?
The cancer metastasis has rendered me incapable of walking, so I'm in a wheelchair with a cast on my leg. I've been wearing the cast for nearly 7 months now. 2 months was spent in toe to thigh-length casts. The 4 inch bone gap the cancer created can't heal back together properly until after I finish all the chemotherapy, because the chemotherapy also kills the new growth as well as killing the cancer. So it's a huge big fat delimma on top of going through chemo. That's why I really want to find someone else who is going through the same kind of cancer metastasis. Surely I can't be the only person.
I think if I didn't have the stage 4 that moved to my leg, and if I was able to walk, my experience of this cancer would be entirely different. I would be able to go outside, sit in the sun, go to the shops, use my bathroom, use my toilet, and do everything that mobile people do.
I'm a very practical person, and I live alone, so I've just had had to get on with it and deal with every day as it comes. I've learnt that I'm stronger than I ever thought I was. But really I have no other option, its sink or swim!
Although, it IS getting harder and harder as I progress through the cycles of chemo. I found from cycle 4 hard-going as far as keeping my spirits and energy up. But I understand where it's coming from, my body is being pounded by the chemo and just can't recover fully each cycle, so it's affecting everything. To be honest I thought by now I would be in a worse position physically. However, from cycle 5 suddenly I'm incredibly weak physically, but not as bad as I imagined that I might be by now.
I found browsing the community posts today very helpful reading other people's experiences. Because what I thought must have been incredibly odd, turns out that pretty much everybody has the same chemo side effects experience, and that's somehow makes it easier knowing that I'm not alone in this.
It's interesting that every cycle you get very similar side effects each time like clockwork. But number 5 hit me much harder as my body is weakening. Yikes, number 6 is coming, if I'm this weak now what on earth is going to happen in a couple of weeks time!
Like everyone else having Rchop, I have aches and pains, particularly in the worst site of cancer, which is really very painful. And I have fingertips that I cant feel, numb, feel as though they have been wrapped in tape come and I can't pick things up well. My fingernails are sore. The first few cycles my finger tips felt like they were made of ice. My skin in some places feels like rubber, it's stripped with no oils. Feels like plastic. I can't explain but those of you who have this experience will know exactly what I'm talking about.
Sores, nausia, diahorrea, fatigue, pain, horrible stripped GIT stomach pain, no hair, almost no sense of taste or smell, dizziness. And the bloody horrible steroids make you hyper and you can't sleep for a few days.
Number 6 is Nov 14th, then I have my final PET scan December 1st, followed by a month or two of radiotherapy and then I think maintenance for a couple of years, so we shall see. I hope to be able to walk by next summer.
Thank you so much everybody for listening to me go on and on and on. It's a unique experience for me to share with other people who are potentially going through exactly the same as me.
Thank you so much for listening. The McMillan support has been extraordinary. It is sheer genius!
Hi Virginia, I can relate to a lot of what you say. I don't think friends do understand at all and it seems to bore them after a while. Mine don't understand that I'm still vulnerable to covid and still have to be careful. They think covid is all finished.
I remember doing my last R-CHOP in 2018 and feeling so great that it was all done that the side effects didn't seem so bad that time. I didn't have the bone problems that you have though so I can imagine it won't be quite the same for you. I also did radiotherapy afterwards which got me into remission. I relapsed a year later but that was with follicular and not DLBCL which they think I also had and which was cured. After doing a different chemo I'm now back in remission. Neuropathy has hung around although more in my feet than in my fingers which only feel slightly odd and occasionally painful now. My feet however are still numb and don't seem to be improving much despite everyone saying they will.
I do almost all my grocery shopping online now. I think I've tried all the different supermarkets as one won't sell one thing and the next is missing something else so I choose which shop to use depending what I want that month. Anyway good luck with your next chemo and hope to hear how things are going.
Hi Virginia.H and a second warm welcome to this corner of the Community although I am always sorry to see folks joining us. I am Mike and I help out around our various Lymphoma groups.
I was diagnosed way back in 1999 with a very different type of NHL ( Stage 4a) that is rare, incurable but treatable so although my Lymphoma ‘type’ is different I do appreciate the challenges of this journey rather well.
I see you have connected across some of the group posts. This is a good way to ‘get to know’ other Lymphomaniacs as some folks call themselves lol.
I am so sorry to read about how you have been dealing with this basically on your own and been let down by friends….. I have been very fortunate in that this has not been the case for me and my family so I do hope you will see these groups as a place to talk to new friends and get some support.
Your presentation in the tibia is rather rare but Lymphoma can turn up anywhere in the body….. I have actually talked with two folks over the years who have had something the same happen to them, they both passed through this community but are now more active on the Lymphoma Action support platforms
Lymphoma Action is the only UK Lymphoma Specific Charity who have lots of good reliable information, videos and run regular Lymphoma Online Support Groups...... I highly recommend these groups as there is nothing better than talking with other who have walked the journey.
They also have a great Lymphoma Action Buddy Service where people can be linked up with someone who has walked the same-ish treatment journey and you can set up weekly phone calls.
They also have a Lymphoma helpline on 0808 808 5555 where Sharon or Nic will be on hand to give you some support - open every week day from 10 till 3.
To widen your support base you may want to look out for a local Maggie's Centre in your area as these folks are amazing and each centre do run monthly Heamatology Support Groups most are online at the moment….. they may also have information about any local defending/drop-in services in your area.
The Macmillan Support Line is open 8am-8pm (timings may differ across services) 7 days a week on 0808 808 00 00. This service provides cancer information, practical information especially information about in home volunteer support or just a listening ear.
All the very best with your next treatment and do keep connecting in with the group as we are hear to help as best as we can ((hugs))
Hi Mike,
Thank you very much for your fantastic reply. I found the links you sent me very very useful indeed. I shall be having a look through all. It's very kind of you to keep an eye out for everyone the way you do. Bless you.
Virginia
Hi Londoner12,
Thank you so very much for reaching out. It's great to know that I'm not alone in another experiences. I also have numbness in my my toes, but only slightly, not as bad as my fingertips.
Fantastic to hear that you are in remission, hopefully the neuropathy will sort itself out. I read in one of Highlanders posts that exercise can help. General all over body exercise. He told me about Maggie's centres and apparently they offer exercise classes so might be an idea for you suddenly is an idea for me once time I'm able.
Thank you so much for the well wishes for my cycle 6. I feel confident that the PET scan will show all clear December 1st. But then radiotherapy. All of this treatment is preventing my bone from healing properly. But so far, the two dangling ends of bone have started to to join, so after the radiotherapy they will have a chance to strengthen and fill out and solidify.
The cancer is one thing, but the damage it did will take quite a while to to heal, and so I won't be back on my feet until probably next Summer.. I hope! And that's the hardest part to deal with strangely enough.
7 months in leg casts is really starting to wear me down as my resistance is lowering. But after cycle 6 is finished my resistance will build up again and hopefully so will my tolerance and patience again.
Thank you so much for reaching out. Bless you.
Virginia
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