HPV+ Keeps chasing me !

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HPV+  Keeps chasing me !

 

Hi club members!  My name is Stuart, I’m 58 and was diagnosed with T4a N1, p16 Positive SCC base of tongue and lymph node on right side of the neck in October 2020 (then T2 N2 never understood the change).

I was referred to St Georges University hospital in Tooting and commenced treatment at the Royal Marsden in Sutton following teeth removal and tongue biopsy.  No surgery but six weeks of radical chemoradiotherapy beginning mid November and finishing day before Christmas eve; how delightful.

Those that have been through this treatment know what a challenge this is and suffer some serious side effects.  It wasn’t a good time for me, I couldn’t eat and refused a feeding tube.  Being a bit of a chunky fella to start with losing 5 stone in 6 weeks wasn’t really an issue for me, some would say it was beneficial!!

I had my Pet Scan at the end of March 2021 which showed NSD so I was walking on air!!  The treatment gifted me with tinnitus and lack of saliva; I felt this was a fair exchange for saving my life.

I then commenced the 6-8 weekly reviews.  All was going along smoothly until May last year when I noticed a stiffness on the side of the neck where the cancer was treated.  My NCT were superb, ordered a UUS with or without a FNA.  I was seen a few days later and examined by two Doctors for over 40 minutes with US and they could see nothing but scar tissue.  They felt it was a result of the treatment but as they didn’t have a baseline to work from they recommended an MRi.  At my follow up this conversation was repeated and I went away to wait for an appointment.  6 weeks later at me next review, the area on my neck was becoming harder and now slightly painful.  The consultant I saw on this occasion arranged for an MRi which I had prior to me next appointment due early December 2022. During this review the consultant stated they were 90% positive that this was Fibrosis but they wanted to do another MRi after 3 months to confirm there was no change. He had a feel of my neck and assured me there was nothing there and he had felt hundreds of necks.

Roll on mid February 2023 and I have the planned MRi.  My next appointment was 9 March 2023 so having not heard anything I thought everything was as suspected………. How very wrong!  I stepped into the consulting room to be met by one of the lead cancer surgeons at St Georges.  He immediately said to me that it was bad news and that my cancer had returned!

This was a hammer blow, in fact hearing this was much worse than hearing it the first time round; unsure why but it was.  He then proceeded to examine my tongue and was satisfied there was nothing there so it was looking like the lymph node.  He was talking to me but I felt I was not hearing him or even in the room.  Recalling all I’ve been through, the pain, sickness and changes, all for what?  All crazy thoughts I know.  I then asked a question, if this has shown on the MRi why has it taken 4 weeks to be telling me?  Why wasn’t I called in earlier.  To his credit he felt it was a good question which he couldn’t answer but he will be asking some searching questions.  Didn’t make me feel better but I needed to ask.

Clearly the delay wasn’t ideal but we were where we were.  He proceeded to telephone specialists around the hospital and manged to get me in for a UUS & FNA within an hour followed by a Head, Chest and Abdomen CT, again I felt I was dreaming all of this, I managed to call my wife who was waiting outside of the hospital, here was a McMillan nurse (lovely Hannah) but I just needed to tell my fellow journeywoman, needed to see that face that had looked at me throughout my traumas and treatments.

Although she was now there my thoughts kicked in from the trance I found myself in.  Asking my self futile questions, ‘ what if its just an infection and they got it wrong’, ‘how could he say it was cancer from an MRi without a biopsy?’, ‘why a CT in those areas,,have I got it in the brain, in my lungs or my stomach’.  All these thoughts running around my head non-stop.

They took 4 samples and the CT was completed and then it was home time with an appointment the following Thursday to find out what is what.  I managed to call a few people who have been very supportive throughout my treatment (big shout out to Beesuit) as we drove home.

This began what I can only describe as a week of mental torture, that night I woke every hour and thoughts were dark and scary.  I truly believe the mental challenge is one of the greatest hurdles.  I’ve never liked the phrase PTSD being thrown around as it is nowadays being a military veteran who has seen active service and 24 years police service, but, I assure you it is real for those who have to deal with cancer diagnosis and treatment.  I never realised how it had and was again effecting me.

Everyone wants to try and say reassuring things but sadly they are meaningless when you are waiting for diagnosis, Monday was the worse day for me as I actually broke down and cried, I’ve not cried for as long as I can remember, but I just couldn’t stop, then I felt better; strange isn’t it.

So Thursday comes, I’ve already rehearsed in my head what I’m going to hear (but secretly hoping he will say they got it wrong) is it curable? will I see next year? Is it another cancer? Again this Surgeon (he is a huge man, looks and sounds like James Earl Jones) gave it to me straight.  “I’m afraid its bad news”  I then thought OMG its curtains!  He followed this with “Your cancer has returned (but he told me this last week so I quickly dialled it down in my head).  He proceeded to tell me that it’s the same cancer and it was nestled in my neck muscle (the one that was hard).  He stated that he felt it was still curable dependant on a Pet Scan and MRi of my liver (no beer then for a while), if they prove clear then it would be a neck dissection, he described this and explained my neck muscle would be removed along with the cancer, not looking forward to that but I truly believe I’m in the best hands.  These incredible people have done so much for me and words could never describe my gratitude.

So, Pet Scan already arranged for next Saturday and today I will hear about the MRi today.  The surgeon said try not to worry too much; he did say it was easy for him to say because if he had it he would also worry, but not too much.

I will update in two weeks when I know more so fingers crossed (can’t believe I will may be rejoicing with just having neck cancer, what a weird time).

 

Stuart

‘ Love,,,,,Love is the answer’

 

  • Wow and Hi, Stuart, You really have had a roller coaster time of it. It's good that they have finally got to the bottom of it all, hopefully your latest scans will be better news.  I wish you and your wife all the very best.

    Regards Ray. 

  • Hi Stuart. Wow you’re going through the mill. To answer your first question T2N2 is Tumour  size was t2 between 2-4 cm and n2 denoted 2 lymph nodes. Sorry you’re one of the unlucky ones who  in the 2 years after treatment cancer can  pop up again. Of course we are more susceptible to some cancers after treatment. But h o v driven ones tge general rule of thumb is once we get to 2 years after we’re good.
    I do know if one of 2 who  this  has happened to and a  neck dissection has got the bugger your treatment  chemo  radiation is the usual pathway leaving neck dissection if needed later. No help to you but just wanted to make contact. Once again it’s the waiting game. Try to keep busy and update us when you can live to both if you. 
    Hazel xx

    Hazel aka RadioactiveRaz 

    My blog is www.radioactiveraz.wordpress.com  HPV 16+ tonsil cancer Now  6 years  post treatment. 35 radiotherapy 2 chemo T2N2NM.Happily getting on with living always happy to help

    2 videos I’ve been involved with raising awareness of HNC and HPV cancers 

    https://www.instagram.com/merckhealthcare/reel/DBs8Y0niJ8N/

  • I will update in two weeks when I know more so fingers crossed (can’t believe I will may be rejoicing with just having neck cancer, what a weird time).

    Hell Stuart.......what a time! Some trusts routinely do neck dissections as a first line treatment....some don't .....but as you say it is what it is.

    At least it sounds as if they are on top of it and you'll be in good hands at St George's 

    We've talked at length already so I won't say much. I'm sure you've got most of the info from your surgeons. I'll tag Peter   who has had quite an extensive neck dissection. He's always up for chatting privately about his experience. Hopefully he will pick this up and you can message each other

    I know platitudes are pointless and the op will be a challenge but you know it's amazing what we can do if we have to.

    Hugs 

    Dani 

    Base of tongue cancer. T2N0M0 6 weeks Radiotherapy finished January 2019

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  • Hi Stuart I have been down this road having been treated for base of tongue that spread to both sides of my head. I got the all clear a few times and literally about 6 weeks after my check up someone ran into the back of my van. This affected my neck what I thought might be whip lash but  the surgeon said I needed a neck dissection and it was a no brainer , He said I might not need the operation but it had to be done , They removed 33 lymph nodes two of which were cancerous , they could not remove all the cancer and he said it was deep in one place and another place also and aggressive , These are  two words you dont want to hear but there you go , I had a scan a few weeks back and there is no sign or evidence of any cancer , but I am going to have scans for the next few years , they had to cut a nerve in my shoulder which doesnt affect me that much , and smile changed a tad but in general rock and roll  and all good  saved my life again. So dont fret over it. My leg and neck  looks the b locks. Better than any tattoo All the Best Regards Minmax  

  • Hi Stuart

    I am so sorry to hear your news, life sometimes throws us some curve balls and you have been through the mill. Sounds as though the doctors are on top of it now and that things are progressing in the treatment department so that is good although it has taken a while to get there.

    I know how devastating a second cancer diagnosis is as this also happened to me. I got through 6 years after my first cancer treatment and was just to be discharged from the regular follow ups I had been having and then I was diagnosed with cancer in another area of my jaw. I guess the positive was that it would not have been picked up so quickly if I had already been discharged.

    The first cancer was hard but I did find the second diagnosis the hardest. It really hit me emotionally and I was really down for a while. However with the help of my fantastic surgeon and G.P. I came through the feeling of despondency. I went ahead with the second op and more radiotherapy and did well with my recovery and was able to get on with my life albeit with a few changes. There is definitely light at the end of the tunnel.

    Your surgeon sounds pretty confident that your treatment will work well so hold onto that thought.

    Get some counselling as I found talking things through really helped me move on and be more positive about my situation. Macmillan has resources in this area so get in touch with them.

    Thinking of you and sending you positive thoughts.

    Lyn

     

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  • Thanks Ray, appreciated.

  • Thanks Hazel, your blog the first time round was very comforting and informative. x

  • Dani, as ever, my rock! x

  • Minmax, thank you for sharing your experience.  Yes all daunting and I am already concocting some tale to describe my future scar, have to make it interesting !

  • Hi Lyn, reading your post feels as though your thoughts were placed inside of my head regarding the second diagnosis.  As I said, I really could not believe how hearing this news this time round was more of a hammer blow than the initial diagnosis.  Your story sounds positive and I will take solace from it.  Keep well.  Stuart