Hi all,
My MDT meeting was on Wednesday and, today, I had a treatment planning meeting with an oncologist.
I am puzzled by something... HELP!
My cancer is HPV positive (they originally told me HPV negative, but that was revised at the MDT meeting).
T/ Tumour = T4a, N / Nodes = N2c, M / Metastases = 0
So, I asked what my number staging is... and I was surprised that they (head and neck oncology consultant and Macmillan head and neck cancer specialist nurse) said that the number staging is not used in head and neck cancer.
I pointed out that number staging is in the MacMillan "Understanding head and neck cancer" book they had previously given me!
Also, there are many UK cancer sites that use the number staging system and I am aware that many of you in the UK have been told a number stage.
The team insisted that all that they are interested in is the tumour (T4a) stage.
According to Cancer Research UK, staging for HPV-positive oropharyngeal cancer
"...stage 3 cancer is the same as one of the following:
Any T, N3, M0
T4, any N, M0"
The latter would seem to apply to my TNM and so I believe that I am Number Stage 3.
I just find it confusing that they are reluctant to use the number staging system?!
Have anyone else encountered this?
Is this some new 'thing'?! Or, maybe it is something unique to my health area Leeds / West Yorkshire?
Thanks
Steve
Hi Steve I’m Leeds cancer Center as well fir treatment’s we don’t get staging per se. I was T2N2NM tumour size T2 is between 2-4 cm n2 is 2 lymph nodes later at pet ct scan was 7 lymph nodes n m ni metastatic I’m fast approaching 5 years. My oncologist is DR sen whose yours ?
HPV Positive is giid tumours respond well ti treatment. HNC cancers aren’t staged the same as other cancers.
Hazel
Hazel aka RadioactiveRaz
My blog is www.radioactiveraz.wordpress.com HPV 16+ tonsil cancer Now 6 years post treatment. 35 radiotherapy 2 chemo T2N2NM.Happily getting on with living always happy to help
2 videos I’ve been involved with raising awareness of HNC and HPV cancers
The team insisted that all that they are interested in is the tumour (T4a) stage.
Hi Steve. They are right. That is all that oncologists seem to work in. After all, it’s the only thing that matters.
What treatment you get depends in tumour size and number of nodes involved.
I was T2 N0 M0 and had six weeks radiotherapy.
people with significant nodal involvement often get 7 weeks RT and chemotherapy on top of that and possibly surgery to dissect lymph nodes from the neck.
If you have distant metastases then treatment is completely different
HPV positive cancer responds very well to radiotherapy and recurrence is very low
Dani
Base of tongue cancer. T2N0M0 6 weeks Radiotherapy finished January 2019
According to Cancer Research UK, staging for HPV-positive oropharyngeal cancer
This is what Macmillan say
Staging is slightly different for each type of head and neck cancer. Oropharyngeal cancers that are HPV-positive have a separate staging system.
Dani
Base of tongue cancer. T2N0M0 6 weeks Radiotherapy finished January 2019
Hi Steve
My husband is T4, N2, MO he underwent 3 rounds of induction chemo over 3 months to reduce the tumours followed by 30 radiotherapy and 6 additional chemotherapy . As others mention head and Nexk cancers are staged differently . Our consultant wasn’t willing to go down the conventional staging route
Our understanding with staging is T4 means over 6 cm tumour, N2 it has spread locally to other areas of mouth and throat to include nodes, MO it hasn’t spread anywhere else in the body I e to other organs. This I believe is considered as a stage 3. Although understanding the TNM was enough for us as the whole thing is rather scary .
i hope your treatment goes well
jackie
Hi Steve
We are all different aren’t we? As far as I know if my cancer was staged I was not told anything about it. I really didn’t want to know anyway all I wanted to know was what the treatment would be and my prognosis. Sometimes I think a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing if not understood completely and can cause a lot of unnecessary worry. I just needed re-assurance from my surgeon and an understanding of my treatment plan. I definitely like to know as much as I need to know so I don’t get any nasty surprises and don’t want to stick my head in the sand but if it gets too technical I just get lost and anxious.
Our different personalities respond to different approaches and if you need more in depth information I say go for it if it helps put your mind at rest.
Lyn
Sophie66
Whatever cancer throws your way, we’re right there with you.
We’re here to provide physical, financial and emotional support.
© Macmillan Cancer Support 2025 © Macmillan Cancer Support, registered charity in England and Wales (261017), Scotland (SC039907) and the Isle of Man (604). Also operating in Northern Ireland. A company limited by guarantee, registered in England and Wales company number 2400969. Isle of Man company number 4694F. Registered office: 3rd Floor, Bronze Building, The Forge, 105 Sumner Street, London, SE1 9HZ. VAT no: 668265007