Glioblastoma - treatment or no treatment?

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Hi all,

I wanted some advice about caring for my brother who has incurable glioblastoma stage 4.


My younger brother who is only 29 was disagnosed with GMB stage 4 on Oct 17th after having a seizure. Since then he has had a biopsy which showed he his tumour is incurable and debulking surugry wasn’t an option as the tumour has started of in the thalmas moved to the left side. Instead a chemo-radio combo would be given to prolong the his life expectancy for upto 12-14months. 


His tumour is on the left side and pretty big when it was diagnosed so his right side is affected with some weakness and sight impairment and as of recently suffers from seizures on a daily basis and severe headaches.


He started his treatment on 5th December for only 5 days where he suffered from multiple focal, absent and tonic-clinic seizures several times a day. After 5days of treatment he went into a coma for 4days because of the swelling in the Brain - there was no more room in his brain so his brain shut down and the tumour had also grown since the MRI the previous week. We were told treatment was no longer an option and he would need to move to a hospice for end of life care. We were given days and possibly a week. 


However, they gave some dex (24mg for 48hrs) and menatol to reduce the swelling and this has worked wonders and he is now conscious and eating and drinking..he was discharged from hospital last Wednesday in time for Xmas as there weren’t any spaces at the hospice. So we bought him home after 10days. Since coming home, he is walking independently and able to wash and shower on his own, eating well and is so much better at managing his seizures and tells us when is feeling dizzy or losing his balance. I feel that he does need to be ‘watched’ just in case of any dizziness or seizures as it happens at any time and during a seizure he is not aware of what’s happening around him. 


My brother is aware of everything and knows treatment is no longer an option and we have to let the disease takes it course. Today we went to see his oncologist, who was amazed at my brothers recovery, after his recent admission. My brother is going out and meeting friends, drinking and just making the of it now, as we know the inevitable. He obviously needs to be watched and picked up/dropped to places but at least he is doing what he wants and just enjoying his life.

 

Today we were told he could start a short course of radiotherapy - 6 sessions at high intensity over 2 weeks. But would need to reduce the dex to 12mg from 16mg before start anything. 


I would like some advice as to whether we should even try to attempt any treatment at this point or should he just continue to enjoy the quality of life that he currently has for as long as possible. My thinking is that if 5days of chemo-radio put him into a coma, as the tumour is very large, and he was bed ridden and spent almost 2weeks in hospital, wouldnt the same happen again? Although a very positive person, he was fed up from all the headaches, seisures and hospital appointments/admissions and didn’t want to go out or watch tv or anything, he was sad and depressed and just kept going. Right now it’s like he has been given a new lifeline, where is just making the most of each day.


In my brothers case, we know his cancer is not curable and life expectancy was 12months with treatment. It’s been 3months since the diagnosis and we haven’t had any treatment as such. 


We started off fighting and gave every option available to us a go... Now however, having seen what it can do to a person first hand, Isn’t it better having a few weeks/months of quality life than those extra few months where he could be back in hospital / not so mobile and suffering from more headaches and seizures as results of treatment? 





  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi Bub,

    Sorry to hear about your Brother but so glad he is doing remarkably well at the moment.

    As everyone has said, the decision regarding treatment is up to your Brother and only he can make that choice.

    My mum has GBM4, she was diagnosed in July 16, since then has had 2 debulking operations, 1 course of radiotherapy, two different types of chemo and now we are waiting to see if she is eligible for Avastin as she has private healthcare and the tumour seems to be resisting the chemo currently.

    Back to your question - my friends mum was diagnosed in Jan 2015 it was a terminal diagnosis and she was given 3-6 months to live. She was offered radiotherapy as a palliative treatment and had a palliative care nurse who came to the house daily. Throughout her treatment herself and her husband spent a lot of time researching into alternative therapies, healers and treatments and she had a meeting with a lady called Patricia from Cancer Options who devised an alternative treatment plan to supplement the radiotherapy. She also drastically changed her diet.

    She had a scan after her radiotherapy treatment and the result showed the tumour had reduced in size but her oncology team were still not happy to operate. She carried on with the supplements and diet and they found a surgeon on Harley Street in London, they went to visit him and he was happy to remove the tumour. She had the surgery in September 2016 and still continues with her lifestyle changes but to date she has remained cancer free.

    I think her story is so inspiring and whilst I am aware this approach will not work for everyone and nor is everyone willing to try alternative approaches to treatment, I just feel sometimes there is nothing to lose and potentially everything to gain.

    Beth

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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Thanks for the positive outcome with your friend's mum. Best of luck to your own mum in her journey Stay brave

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Thank you Beth

    For posting such an inspirational story and sharing it with others. I wish your mum and your friend’s mum, continuing good health and the gratitude of others faced with this terrible disease who will draw strength and knowledge from her  courage 


    Best wishes


    Brian

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    FormerMember

    Hi Bub,

    I'm sorry to hear about your brother.  My older brother (35yrs) was diagnosed with stage IV GBM in June 2017.


    Prognosis was 1-12 months.  He underwent resection surgery (removed 80% of the tumor) and immediately underwent chemo radiation for 6 weeks.  Unfortunately in his case the surgery affected his short term memory and his right side is also very weak.


    He's now undergoing monthly doses of chemo.  They tried to drop his steroids but it had adverse affects (incontinence, limited speech, etc)


    One thing he is using for treatment that you may want to check out is the optune.  It's a wearable technology that is killing cells as they generate.  Only came out in April of 2017 here in the states.  Supposedly it adds 2-8 months.  downsides include carrying a battery pack and shaving his head every couple of days, but it doesn't seem to bother him.


    Prognosis is now up to 31 months, which we are so grateful for.  


    Its a terrible disease and hard to see anyone go through.  Try and stay strong for him and feel free to reach out if you need someone to talk to.


    Nic



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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Hello Nic and Bub

    Generally readers here will be from the U.K. the community to which this site is focussed, even though there those from elsewhere, mainly North America. 


    You mention Optune. While it is approved here as a medical device, it is not available to those who may think they need it, on our Public Health Service, the NHS. It costs around £21000 per month here, the nett annual average income for people here. It is therefore unaffordable to almost all people, regardless of need. Some here will have private medical insurance but there are often limits and exclusions which again will rule out Optune. That it adds so little prognostic lifespan is yet another issue, but prognosis predictions are just one thing. Like weather forecasts, these predictions are fortunately often wrong. Many with GBM live well past their forecast lifespan and have a very reasonable quality of life. Others are truly long-term survivors. I have met some, read of others and some are here. Whatever the factors this is a disease that can be survived and there is always hope.


    Best wishes


    Brian

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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Hi Beth, thanks for your message and very sorry to hear about your mum. I hope you receive some good news in regards to avastin. 

    It’s so good to hear about your friends mum though and it just goes to show that a lot of these prognosis are so inaccurate. If you don’t mind me asking, what sort of diet did your friends mum try? Did this show a reduction in tumour and therefore was able to operate?


    Wishing you all the best with your mums treatment.

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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Thanks for your message Nic and very sorry to hear about your brother but I am so pleased to hear about his prognosis. 

    I will also look into optune as we have private medical and it’s worth a try - so thanks for this :-)

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi all,

    I wanted to update you all on my brother. 


    Since my last message contemplating the idea of treatment. My brother has decided to go ahead with the 2 week intense radiotherpy option. He starts next week. 


    As for my brothers current condition, he hasn’t been better!! Since Boxing Day my brother has not had a single seisure, or headaches or right side weakness, vomiting nothing!! He is almost back to his usual self and able to walk unaided without a walking stick. We have managed to reduce the Dexamethasone gradually from 16mg a day to 8mg which is great as before we weren’t able t reduce to 14mg without him suffering from more side effects. Initially he was shaking his hand quite abit after the first 2mg reduction, but apparently long term use of dex can make this happen and since the further reductions this has stopped. 


    We then decided to go for a scan last week to find out what was happening with the tumour and his tumour has reduced by 1cm!!!  

    This reduction has clearly improved his quality to of life considerably and to be more independent. 

    We have noticed he has become very talkative and hyper though, but overall we just over the moon with this news as it gives us more quality time with him.


    I wanted to know if 5 days of chemo/radio can reduce the tumour? I ask Because before his treatment on 5th Dec we did weekly scans every week for 3 weeks and this showed an increase in tumour each week. Then after his 5 day treatment when he was admitted into hospital we did another scan and this showed a further increase in the tumour as well as the Edema. They then told us it was increasing radially. It’s been 4weeks and it’s reduced!! 


    On Christmas Eve we started my brother on this herbal medication as we had no other options and I am thinking could this have had an effect of the tumour? 


    Would be interesting to know if tumour can reduce from a few days of treatment as we were initially told by the oncologist that you wouldn’t see any difference unless you do a few weeks of treatment.

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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Hi I’m so sorry to hear about your brother I’m  wondering what herbal supplement it is that you’ve started using with your brother ? 

    My dad was diagnosed November 2018 and given 18 months, he’s currently undergoing monthly chemo following a debunk and radiotherapy and I’m just looking to try anything we can 

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    FormerMember in reply to FormerMember

    Same ....please let me know anything you find as tips etc