hi all,
It's been an 11 months for us. My mother in law was diagnosed last year with gbm last august, went thru two resection surgeries in aug 16 and may 2017.
Prior to the first surgery, she got progressively worse very fast but surgery restored most of her mobility, she gained it back 3 months after surgery and was only slightly weak in left side of her body.
Had stable MRI till march this year and suspected regrowth. Had second total resection in May, she was left with left side neglect and loss of control of her left arm and leg, due to tumor growing deeper into the brain and surgery inevitably damaged some nerves which we have been told before surgery. Again, she bit by bit gained some control back, not greatest but she's able to walk with support.
However, 10 days ago she started to go backwards again, losing her left side control and her left side face started to become stiff too. A quick MRI was ordered we were told there's irregular enhancing white stuff along surgical bed, no solid tumor yet but signs of active gbm cells. We were devastated, how could this thing come back so quick and aggressive?
It's only been less than 2 months since we saw a perfect post operation clean scan. How can it come bsck so quick? She received no radiation after second op as she reached her max dose last year. Have been on 23/5 telezolomide/pcv cheno, finished only 1 cycle, due to start second this week. But is it still worth putting her thru this misery? Chemo makes her quick fatigue, can't eat and very sleepy/grumpy.
This is such a horrible disease. You are faced with decision making so many times in a short period of time. No doc can tell you which will definitely work best or which combination will produce optimal outcome, only theoretical and statistical predictions, and every choice you make is cruel in a way, brain surgery is scarey, immunotherapy ties your schedule to frequent clinic visits blood taken, sampling, re-injection of T cell etc, radiotherapy makes u misrrable and again fills your schedule for 1.5 months. Plus chemo. Looking back this 11 months, there was really little good memories we managed to create. Did we make right choice in pushing for agrresive treatments?
I know it is not time to regret because none of this was wished upon someone to begin with. We do not know how to rationalize this but maybe it's fate. Now. The bigger fear is how soon? What's next?
Given the fact that it came bsck so quick and mum had developed some symptoms only after 7 weeks or so. We are scared to even guess how this will progress at this pace. It's too much to take, especially for my wife, she doesn't even know what the first thing to do in the morning after she wakes up.
Had a talk with doc but wasn't given any guidance on prognosis, not even a brief one, was told to live every day to the fullest. But how?
I don't know whether knowing how long left will help us prepare emotionally and also other things we need to plan. But will appreciate it if anyone could share some experience? I know it is harsh to ask anyone here to recall this, my sympathy goes out to anyone that is affected by this terrible disease. But I really want to know, from clinically deteriatiing after treatment till the end, how long approximately? Will it continue so deteriate for everyone or it may stop going worse after a while? Any pattern?
Thanks a lot.
Regards.
Flattie
Hello again smileypgf
A good optimistic username! Keep being smiley!.
I was on steroids 16mg dexamethasone, immediately after craniotomy but steady decline in dose thereafter until none needed. Steroids give their own bunch of side effects if they go on long enough and then compounded by the other therapy effects. Insomnia occurs and my recall is they have psychological effects that do not enhance mood or reduce fears. They obviously served a necessary function to reduce brain swelling after surgery and again, like all drugs, side effects vary greatly from person to person.
Best wishes
Brian
Thank you Brian, that's exactly the path we have had so far. Steroids now 2mg daily. His moods are awful and I get it. Some days it just gets too much ! Tomorrow the new challenge starts.
Smile has been hiding but I'm forever hopeful for a speedy return.
Nicole, I would be interested in hearing your story if you would care to share through messenger – I am going through a similar thing with my mom. Thank you.
Kim
Hi all, thanks for all above reply and messages, I wish I everyone stays positive and strong. We need to.
Here is an update.
Even though I posted regretting pushing for aggressive treatment and monitoring. We again pushed for another MRI as we really want to know and want to do more.
However, it confirmed growth. Not shocking anymore. We learnt it hard way, regrowth is not a straight line, it usually comes back aggressive. Doc and many literature we read said so thus we are kinda prepared.
Good thing is, after stopping chemo and switching to steroids, mum felt a lot better, relieved. Quality of life improved straight away. We will put her on avastin next week, which oncologist said will have even better efficacy in this scenario.
There's no going backwards anymore. But knowing we get to have a happier mum is very comforting to us now.
We still need time to eventually be ok with this whole experience. We still in a bit denial, depressed and Sad but hopefully we can work this out. Just need time.
Thanks and warm regards
another update:
Mum rapidly deteriated in July over a two weeks time frame and some of her symptoms even matched the final 3 weeks description according to the gbm timeline in one of the link posted on this forum.
Surprisingly and we thank god thst mum is still with us today. She has been and is in very poor status, sleeping a lot (16-18 hours a day), often confused and keeps asking whether she has taken her keppra and she gets grumpy very easily, she needs support and wheel chair to move about and has difficultly with solid food, plus a list of other common symptoms brain tumor patient has. We are greedy, even though we are lucky enogh to have mum with us until today but we also thinking whether there was anything we could have done or should have done to avoid that terrible deteriation about 4 months ago. Mums quality of life hasn't been near pleasant at all.
For other members/carers:
When it gets to the time that no other option such as re-resection, radiation chemo etc available, avastin restores mom's condition and mood quite effectively. She had 200mg scheme biweekly, each time it's administered she would have about 7-8 good days, less nausea and headache, more alert and energetic.
It did the trick for at least 2.5-3 months but now doesn't seem to work as well. I guess I am here to deliver an update, not sure if it would be of any help to others.
Also would like to ask whether anyone has tried anything else other than dex or avastin when it comes to recurrence.
Thanks and keep strong.
Wish everyone all the best.
(Sorry, it's a bit messy but would like to share with everyone who needs it or love to discuss)
Hello,
Very sorry to hear you are going through such an awful time. It’s such a terrible fast moving disease.
I wrote a post a while ago titled ‘the final weeks’ you should be able to access it through clicking on my name.
My husband was young and fit, and everyone degenerates differently (symptoms and pace) but this post details his gbm4 ‘journey’ and I tried to include the details (it can be quite confronting so if you do not wish to know do not read).
Again, very sorry. I hope you have some quality time left
Hi Nicole,
Thanks for asking .
Mum is with us. Blood work all over the place and had few rounds of bacteria/viral infection and hospitalized.
Other than that, stabilized. Not in best condition but stabilized.
Flattie
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