Hi there all
I’m caring for my incredible husband with Stage 4 bowel cancer with liver and lung mets. He was diagnosed with Stage 3c in Jan 2019 but we now know at that time his 7cm tumour, very close to the rectum, has spread its microscopic seeds.
He dealt with 6 months of radiotherapy and also Capecitabine and Oxiplatin. Then a resection to give what we hoped was a temporary ileostomy. All through this he worked and kept up a rigorous fitness regime - he was 49 at the time of diagnosis.
The following year -2020 - was fantastic - pretty much full quality of life except that sexual function had been severely compromised by the radiotherapy and he had some peripheral neuropathy from the Oxiplatin and he struggled emotionally with the ileostomy which was hugely disruptive to sleep
Then came the scan and the totally devastating news his cancer was now incurable as it had metastasised to both liver and lung and recurred at the original site. He sailed through a lung resection and a liver resection and was out of hospital in around 24 hours following both those keyhole procedures and back running!
6 months later - in Oct 2021 he has a massive abdominoperineal resection which removed his anus, created buttocks from his thigh muscles, and changed his ileostomy to a permanent colostomy. He was off pain killers within 4 weeks and back snowboarding by Jan. Sexual function completely gone and urinary control drastically altered. He is is some pain but he isn’t on any pain meds and he’s currently running or doing yoga every day. The colostomy is 10 x better than the ileostomy and he’s meticulous and has had no problems with it at all. He’s slim, muscular, extremely fit and currently earning a great salary as a software developer for investment banking! Pretty much full time still.
But, the cancer is back again. Scans this summer have revealed many spots of activity, 3 in the lung, 2 in the liver and more in the pelvis. We are beginning 2nd line chemo in Sept and I am absolutely terrified this is going to be the last leg of the journey. I read that secondary chemo isn’t great at stopping it returning in the future and also that Folfiri and Cetuximab will affect hair, skin, weight, and make a person quite ill and possibly not be tolerated in which case there might not be further treatment options - though it seems there is Lonsurf as a third line chemo. Obviously I keep hope high for my husband and remain positive for long life for his sake though it sounds increasingly hollow when we discuss our long term future together. My husband alternates between extreme panic and huge mental anguish and then will be very very positive and say he is hopeful of living with this many many years.
I have not read of many stories at all where the person has been living with Stage 4 colon cancer more than 5 years, obviously our incredible Dame Deborah James got to 5.5 yrs, and there is one other man I’ve read of who is now at 7 yrs but he is very poorly indeed and may not have much time left as his treatment is over.
if there are any long term stories here for stage 4 colon cancer please share or point me in the right direction. Thanks for reading.
Hi there fellow traveler,
If you read my profile you’ll see I was diagnosed six yrs ago. Things have been quiet for a while now, I hope it stays that way but Nothing in this journey is ever written in stone. Dealing with the Wife’s stage four that just reared it’s ugly head after a ten yr remission. She’s down to ninty pounds and very weak going through six cycles of immunotherapy with chemo. Tell your Husbands he’s not alone I know too well the thoughts going through his head. Words that seem to always’and still do’ help me are This Too Shall Pass
You are one brave man. Sending love and the very best of luck. Thanks for your response and the continued hope x
We found the same initially with the oncologist. ThisIsJustGreat to be fair I think they would be accused of creating false hope if they did otherwise but that does not mean they are not working aggressively behind the sciences or celebrating the wins and it changes with time .
My mum’s file was so big by the end we could see exactly when she would be called into the clinic each time .
Some people seem to get a better response to the chemo combination he is using .
I know , waiting to see if it’s doing it’s job is hard . Do you track his CEA to see if it’s going down ?
Take care ,
Court
Helpline Number 0808 808 0000
Thanks Court! You are so very generous with your time on here and the very helpful and informative responses!
No I don’t even know what CEA is - will look it up! It’s been so difficult in my marriage because I want to know absolutely everything and how this will play out ( I’ll have to sell the house if he can’t work long term or dies - I’m financially dependent on him and the mortgage is huge as are the bills!!) But he hasn’t really wanted to know anything at all except that he’ll beat it, so even though he was told he was incurable in Jan 2021 the news of more cancer in Dec, and again this summer, has utterly devastated and shocked him to his very core. I find his reaction so weird and it alienates my sympathy to some extent. He will die but I will lose absolutely everything, my whole world. I have had to cry secretly night after night for 18 months whilst he has thought ( pretended to himself) he’s beaten it. It’s been psychological torture for both of us.
It is an extremely difficult situation for both of you . I think I have sent you a friends request . Did you get it ? I will try again .
Have you got support around you too ? It is just heartbreaking . The future is just very uncertain and that brings a tremendous stress in different ways.
Macmillan has teamed up with Bupa to offer six free counselling sessions . If you think this might be helpful for him you can get more information on 0808’808 0000.
He must have a lot of inner conflicting emotions and might need a safe place to explore them too .
Take care ,
Court
Helpline Number 0808 808 0000
Thanks Court - yes I got your friend request and have accepted - very sweet of you.
My husband isn’t the type of person to be able to discuss his emotions easily - he had some counselling sessions and didn’t enjoy them or get any benefit from them - he’s far better going for a run or doing a hard gym session! I’m on tap to discuss emotions but literally the only thing he wants is long term success stories like your mum - which I just don’t think is going to be his case as his cancer has been described as aggressive and incurable, and in the past has been described as giving a poor response to chemo. But we’ll see.
I have some good friends and some therapy going on but am finding personal training and the gym also to be extremely beneficial in working out frustrations!
Well hello just noticed you have popped on . So good to see your name .
So sorry to hear about your wife . That’s a lot to process too .
You seem to be doing well . That’s great news and I think of you often !
Mum had a bit of a back injury there and for a moment I thought it was defeating her but today she has turned a corner . Dad has dementia now but still very much enjoying life so we are pleased for now that he can .
One day at a time.
Take special care ,
Court
Helpline Number 0808 808 0000
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ThisIsJustGreat I do think it very individual and if he has found a way to manage his situation then that’s positive in itself .
I have been thinking about your situation a lot today as it’s two entirely different needs caused by one very sad illness and I can see why you need to put some safeguards around your situation too . My mum was like your husband and part of me initially wanted to dismantle that so we could prepare but as things moved along I could see she needed it to keep enduring the treatments and I stood back from it .
Your situation is different in that’s it’s your husband , home and life that’s directly affected and I feel for you ,
I have linked in another forum if you have not stumbled across it . It’s entirely for relatives not patients . They have their own one and it’s a place to discuss the more difficult aspects of this disease with others in the same situation . Might not be for you but you might get to connect with others in the same situation but perhaps a different primary . It can be a good resource .
The CEA is a protein that is tracker as a tumour marker in bowel cancer . It’s not always reliable but you can compare it from before chemo to during chemo there they hope to see a downward trajectory .
It might quietly give you a feel for it .
Take care and I will send you a PM over the weekend . My parents are keeping me busy this week ! .
Take care ,
Court
Helpline Number 0808 808 0000
Hi! I haven't been on here for a while as if u read my profile it's been since 2020 diagnosis. My husband has the same as u, stage 4 but spread to liver & lungs. He stopped chemo last Nov as not improving & so now we are going down the route of trying to get on a trial. They have permissions to use biopsy & have taken bloods. As a result he had a blood transfusion to try perk him up it has for a bit as his sleep was shocking (during the day 6am-2pm!!) Which fortunately he isn't working & we are claiming PIP . My husband is putting his head in the sand in as much as not helping me prepare for eventuallities, we have 3 kids I am trying to keep on a even keel. We are married but he has refused to get a will or even sort passwords for accounts etc. As u say it is hard to give sympathy at times. Its good your husband has a release at the gym & pride , mine doesn't & will just watch TV. I am 50 he is 64. I think he is protective over the house & money as he thinks I will remarry. I am not thinking along those lines just what's best for our kids & their future.
It's been 2+ years & physically he has recovered from chemo treatment so that is positive but we are just waiting for next sort of rescue. Lonsurf was also sold to us as not that effective. My husband has had no ops.
I wish u all the best, would love a friend to share all this with, sorry not positive long term news but defo an ear to listen
Xx
Hi To All of You
I am new to this forum. My husband was diagnosed with bowel cancer in 2016. He had surgery and the tumour was removed along with biopsies of lymph nodes. Nine weeks after surgery he started chemotherapy. He had 6 cycles of Fol fox over 12 weeks. Then he had a scan and we were told the cancer had gone. He had regular scans every 6 months but it August 2020 it was discovered the cancer was back and had spread to spots on the liver and lungs.
He was offered 6 cycles of Fol Furi over 12 weeks and then had a scan which sadly showed it was still spreading, He then underwent a course of radiotherapy and chemotherapy combined in March 2021, which again had little effect. During the last year he has had several more rounds of Folfox and Folfuri.
We last saw the Consultant in July and were told that the spread of cancer on the lungs was significant and that we should try Lonsurf. The Consultant is also looking at trials.
My Husband is currently on day 10 of the first cycle on Lon surf. Apart from extreme fatigue he is coping well, so far.
We have all the information about Lon surf. It makes scary reading at times. My husband finds it hard to talk about how he is feeling and we have had no discussions about the future. I am doing my best to support him and the family, we have seven grown up children and grandchildren but I am feeling very alone. All I seem to hear is stay positive and I always do around my husband and family but at times I just want to cry.
I have read a lot of posts on here, how do you amazing people cope ?
Can anyone share experience of Lon Surf ?
Thanks for reading
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