Healing time after surgery

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Sorry for long post.
When my husband had his initial diagnosis the surgeon said that he would be very nervous of operating on him as he was worried he would not pull through due to his general health.
My husband is 79, has kidney failure, diabetes, an enlarged heart and atrial fibrillation.
His mobility is poor in as much as he cannot walk that far without either being breathless or his legs aching.
The surgeon said he would get an anaesthetist and cardiologist to review but was pretty sure it would be no.
Move on a few weeks and he has had a pre-op assessment, has an echocardiogram this week and has the impression from the specialist nurse that the op might now go ahead. He hasn’t had a date but has been given carbohydrate drinks to take the day before.
His tumour is 3 cm and he has no symptoms at all, it has not spread, at initial meeting he was told it was very possible it was slow growing and the chances were he would die with it rather than of it by the nurse so maybe no treatment wasn’t so bad as we could possibly have 2/3 or maybe even 5 years to enjoy life. Obviously this cannot be guaranteed as it might spread.
However the surgeon said if it blocks the bowel he would die a painful death. This is the sentence he seems to be focusing on.
Now to the question. With his general health if he does have the surgery which would be open rather than keyhole and he would have a stoma what would recovery be like? He is not one to fight an illness (for example when he was given exercises from physio to help his weak legs he didn’t do them). He struggles at present to climb the stairs to bed in the evening, he can’t put his socks on. Will he be able to drive afterwards, I suppose I am saying how long to get back to how he is now.
I am nervous he will have the op but his quality of life will be compromised but all he can think about is a possible ‘painful death’.
Thank you for reading this far.
Pauline

  • Hi Pauline

    its such a worry for you both.

    This is a great place to have lots of support and advice

    I was quite fit before my op so I am unable to give advice on his health. Because I was fit I was told that they would through everything at me. I was slightly daunted. Mine was low rectal cancer which was four inches and caused increasing discomfort. I found that most of the day was sat on the toilet for a ribbon stool. I lacked energy as I found it difficult to eat healthily

    My husbands friends Dad refused the op in his fifties and did have an awful time  his son was really angry that he wouldn’t have the operation with a stoma! It was his choice though but tough on his family  

    My husband bought me liquid meal substitutes Complan type I had three snack meals a day (easy to process) and two drinks. This had a remarkable affect on my energy levels. I was able to do the pelvic floor exercises and prepare for the operation. If your husband doesn’t do the exercises at least he may have more energy though I know that Complan may not be suitable with his health there’s other protein drinks available that are more apt.

     
    They fit my op around my fitness which I am sure they will do for your husband. 
    When I woke I felt my stoma and was just so relieved that tumour was in the bin. The continual pressure in my back passage was gone. 
    Within six weeks I was staying away, my diet was becoming more varied. In no time I ate what I wanted and travelled abroad. Though sweetcorn was a big miss for me it’s not for many. Skins, seeds etc are to be avoided nuts also can cause blocking.

    The stoma gave me freedom 

    That was last August I am now reversed and back on my stodgy beige diet! It’s no bother I have found if I put stodgy in that’s what I get out. I have introduced some soft leaves and spinach and see how I go. 
    The discomfort of that tumour is still fresh in my mind, the bleeding I had towards the end was frightening they said that as I was passing a stool it bled. I despised that thing in me and wanted it out! I was told I would block so things moved quickly for me
    I hope that you have more details from your team about what operation they are planning. and your husbands health improves. You could contact the colorectal nurses I found them supportive and informative they will up to speed. 
    Keep us updated. 

    Ann
     ‍Art

  • Thank you @Artsie for your reply. I am so confused at the moment but know it has to be his choice. I think my difficulty is because he has no symptoms at all this op is going to make him worse in the short term but will he get well enough to enjoy life or be an invalid from then on. 
    Pauline x

  • Hi Pauline

    Yes I fully understand and it’s a difficult choice to make. 
    I thought I had piles for ten years and mine was huge though non aggressive thank goodness!
    If you had a chat with your nurses they maybe able to tell you what operation they have planned. I found out by phoning my nurses they told me over the phone and gave me the recommended website to look it up. I was all over the place until I found out and it gave me the information I needed 

    I had a long surgery however there’s many options it could be a quicker recovery op. 

    Im sending you a hug 

    Ann
     ‍Art

  • Thank you I will give them a ring tomorrow. Kissing heart

    • Hi Atrsie, I had my tumour removed last Monday and got out of hospital on Friday, the surgeon seemed pleased with my progress but I’ve been home a few days now and feel awful. I still feel very tired and in pain. I had 5 weeks of radio and chemo to shrink my tumour before they could operate and it turned out that the tumour was attached to my ovary so that had to be removed too. The operation was 6 hours which I know is long, I guess I’m just wondering how long before the pain goes and the tiredness lifts. also I feel sick when changing my stoma bag and feel I’ll never get used to it. Sorry for the long post
  • My only contribution is from observing my mum . She was actually still in hospital at your stage and was definitely still sore .

    I did notice the next two weeks made a really big difference in terms of her recovery . She has also had liver and lung surgery but found the bowel the hardest . It’s big surgery . 
    However each week made a really big difference. 
    You do sound as though you need a bit more support in terms of your stoma care . We have a forum for that and please do join it as they will guide and support you .

    Also phone your stoma nurse and let them Know how you are feeling .

    Our helpline staff are around too . 0808 808 0000

    Take care ,

    Court

    Helpline Number 0808 808 0000

  • Hi Ali Bali

    My surgeon told me six months.  I thought No way I’ll do it in three. He was the right!
    My surgery also was very invasive. Keyhole , open surgery  to lift my bowel out and remove the tumour. My stoma was flat and I had a few wobbles early days. 
    I had heavy pain meds for at least two months. Tramadol slow release ! I tried coming off like the hospital told me but I was in a lot of pain. My GP said I shouldn’t be in pain as it was stopping my moving about and resting
    I found that I benefited from power naps. These lessened and I could go out and about between my naps. At least  two naps a day. Pelvic floor exercises twice daily. Gentle to begin with Night times were uncomfortable so I needed to rest during the day Just going upstairs was tiring! 
    Six weeks I stayed away and had a wonderful time

    But six months to be better than ever

    It sounds as though your surgery was invasive and you need time to recover. Try and eat healthily and rest as much as you can. 
    Once you can have a good nights sleep you will feel so much better. 
    Drinking fluids is really important with a stoma, I dehydrated quickly feeling light headed, headache and generally unwell. I drank isotonic at least once a day. The cheaper alternative and six pints of weak squash.  Yes that sounds mad now but spread across the day it kept me going. I was told with an Ileostomy I needed to up my sugar and salt intake. 
    I hope that you feel better soon 

    We are all individual and all need to be treated as such  some are out running around with paracetamols I thought I was tough and would be like that in reality I felt like I’d been hit by a bus and I had to listen to my body and do what it needed 

    I hope you find my experience helpful  it is long but so is the recovery for some  

    As court says please join the stoma support  that was the reason I joined here I was in a right pickle with it  I had so much support and advice it made the world of difference 

    Take care 

    Ann
     ‍Art

  • Yes Pauline it’s concerning and I would feel the same. You don’t want regrets 

    I had increasingly worsening symptoms so I really had no choice. 
    Find out what they intend to do. There’s all kinds of treatment available.

    They may be able to monitor it and act if it starts to grow quickly. I’m not medical but it would be good for you to talk openly to the team 

    Ann
     ‍Art

  • Ali Bali.as some others have said do join the stoma group.lots of tips and help on there if you are struggling.I dont want to repeat what others have already said.I would just say that stoma care quickly gets easier with a little practise until it all becomes second nature.

    Hang in there.sometimes reading peoples bios can help as you can see how they have managed

    All the best

    Kath

    1. Sorry to be a negative on your situation but my husband had no symptoms of bowl cancer. It was only diagnosed because he had a fall and they gave him a scan. He was mobile in no pain and could eat anything he wanted. 75 years old was talked into surgery for bowel cancer. Now has colostomy bag. He walked into hospital unaided. Lef hospital after having open surgery and infection after 5weeks. Now can't walk any distances seems to have lost all strength and balance. His stoma is apsolutely unpredictable can have sudden rushes of action filling bag so it's bursting off his body with no warning whatever. Not what you would want if you were out. Now he also has started to have mucus from his rectum. It's constant, smells, and it's normal to hear the medical people. Now in answer to your question. In my husband's case. Can't eat any of the foods he likes, spicy, pulses, crunchy veg,living on a plain bland diet which being almost vegetarian is hell to try and find something he will eat et alone enjoy. Will not go out because of worries about his bag and now on top of everything this mucus it often happens when he stands up. It comes out in afart that can be heard and instant foul smell. Don't know how the medical profession can say that you can get on with your life. He didn't want the op and was talked into it by the doctors. Personally he should not of had it done he had a life beforehand and he hasn't got one now just misery. If that's what they call a successful it's very limited outlook. Need to research we didn't just trusted docs . Think it was the wrong choice for him but to late now can't go back