Reconstituting Immunity

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I wonder if any of you can explain to me in words of one syllable how the regrowth of immunity thing works?  I have asked the consultant - twice - and haven't had a sensible answer from him on either occasion!  His answer (both times) was that I was only nine months post-transplant and I didn't need to worry about it!  That's not whgat I asked him!

So, when I had chemo (two lots) before the transplant, I was neutropenic post-chemo (and thus susceptible to infection) until my neutrophils recovered.  Now, post-transplant, I have a full complement of blood cells, but zero immunity to infection still. I am guessing that this is because pre-transplant I still had the acquired immunity of a lifetime, whereas post-transplant, it had all been wiped out.

Dim brain can cope so far! 

I had GvHD treated with steroids and Cyclosporine for some weeks, which I know suppresses the immune system.  Now I am off both and have been for some time.  My CD4 marker is still only at 0.006, which the consultant says is 'non-existant'.

I have 100% chimerism and have had it at that level since a few weeks post transplant.  So why haven't I just inherited my donor's immunity to infection to add to my healthy compliment of neutrophils and job done? 

So how long does it take (on average - I know we're all different!) to reconstitute the immune system and what is the mechanism for that to happen?  

I know they can kick-start it with a DLI, but that's not an option for me because I've already had GvHD.  The consultant told me that it would grow back, but I would just need to be patient.  That's fine - but it still doesn't help me to understand how it all works and how long it's all likely to take!  WHAT needs to 'grow back'? 

I asked my daughter (who is a GP) and even she wasn't sure how it worked for transplant patients, though is helpfully just going off to do a course on immunity!   She said that you acquire immunity through exposure to pathogens.  So why doesn't a donor-acquired immunity + a healthy score of neutrophils = a new immune system able to cope with exposure to infection?  What is it we all have to wait for ages to happen? 

It's a puzzle!  

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to MissSatomi

    I always carry a little bottle of anti bac gel with me and do my hands if I've touched anything public sometimes even money. My worst cold was after I used a petrol pump and forgot to clean them then had toast. Sometimes I leave the crust where I've been holding it. And my local cafe does lovely toast from local bread.

    If gardening I wear gloves mainly to avoid scratches. The dirt seems to get through any way. There are some good ladies gauntlett ones available now.

    Tessa

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to MissSatomi

    This animation does a good job of explaining. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/immune-system-explained_n_5552955

    I think it has to do with T cells and their ability to retain the protein codes of the antigens. Perhaps sct doesnt grab the T cells?

  • Couldn’t open it (phone said too many redirections) but searched it out on google, really interesting. Maybe post allo the T and B ‘memory cells’ sometimes don’t develop and get retained. 

    hugs xxx

    Moomy

  • By the way, will have to remember about the ‘pecker up’, hahaha, American English is sooooo different, I can imagine what that means, hahahaha! (sorry for the fit of giggles!) 

    hugs xxx

    Moomy

  • Oh the vagaries of this language of ours...

    Over the summer, we were on holiday with my American sister-in-law, when her face dropped after I told her I had caught a daddy long legs in the bathroom - who knew they were a poisonous spider in the US?

    And when she referred to her uncomfortable fanny pack and needing to go back to the villa to change her pants after a game of tennis, I just said I’d rather not know!

    I liked the video btw Alissa, I found it explained things in a really clear way.


    Greg

  • Don't worry it wasn't from drinking water we don't think as no other cases reported.  I have two young children - one has swimming lessons and has also had a dodgy tum (much milder than mine), the results of which I've ended up clearing up on a number of occasions.  He's now having a test for crypto. Another friend's son contracted it from swimming in the local pool so I think its most likely my son also caught it and passed it on to me.  I'm all better now thankfully x

  • Really glad you’re better! I would think the pool needs checking? 
    hugs xxx

    Moomy

  • Yes environmental health were straight onto it- they get alerted when someone gets one of these type of infections x

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember in reply to greg777

    Daddy-long-legs are NOT poisonous in N.America. They are cute little bug eaters!

    And that whole "pants" thing kills me. Trousers just sounds so Are You Being Served.