Looking for some help finding other options and treatments - Stage 4 Cancer.

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Hello again everyone.

You may see from my 1st post here, i was diagnosed with stage 4 prostate cancer end of last year, with a small cancer tumour on my prostate, two lymph nodes effected and had started to spread to be tail bone. The pain in my tailbone gave me unbelievable pain when sitting and the reason i originally went to my gp unaware i have cancer.

Took almost 6 months of what felt like test after test and was diagnosed with cancer Sept 2024. ( saw the GP first visit in End March 24).

Referred to Christies in Oct/Nov 2024 for palliative care and was put on strong chemical castration drugs ( Enzalutamide ) and a revisit booked for 5 weeks later.

I was still in alot of pain, not being able to sit is more problematic than you may 1st think, - painful to sit in a car, travel, waiting rooms etc - so called GP's again told 5 weeks wait to see anyone for pain management. Called specialist nurse at Christies who reached out to my local hospice to give me some support and they quickly called - read my notes, scans and put me on Steroids (  Dexamethasone ) and they worked like magic in a day or two taking a good chunk of the pain away. 

My Oncologist saw on my notes that i had called the Specialist nurse and rang me offering me to start Radiotherapy that week - i thought wow, i am impressed - i Declined as i felt great and said it can wait as i was booked to see her in a week anyway where we can go through it and plan/discuss properly.

Continued on Steroids for a short time, hospice support was constantly checking on me, and telling me - you cannot stay on this high dose too long....

My next appointment with Christies came around and we expected to be discussing radiotherapy... But, she started with an apology for two things.

1. That she thought the Ensakutamide would stop the pain.

2. That the previous question i had asked on our initial meeting of ' what type of prostate cancer did i have' was incorrect. 

Asked what and why - and was informed that at that weeks internal patients review that my biopsy taken months prior to getting to the Christies showed 2 types of cancer, the usual  Adenocarcinoma and Small cell. ( Mixed metastatic )

I asked if this new news would change my treatment or life expectancy and was told no, it's still being classed as prostate cancer and that the 5 years still stood.

I was offered Chemo for the pain a maximum of 6 sessions with Carboplatin & Etoposide three weeks apart, and told very clearly this was not for my cancer control is was to help with the pain in my tailbone.

I managed 5 of the Max of 6, requiring a blood transfusion to get me through my 5th session but my bloods showed as was able to continue and it was decided to stop after completing five.

Weeks after completing the 5th I was sent for another CT scan ( My previous scan had be done pre-christies and pre-diagnosis ) and an appointment was made to see the Oncologist. She walked into the consulting room with a spring in her step - asking how i was and saw i was sat down. Told her it had helped with the pain and i had stopped the steroids.

She told me i was doing really really well and that she'd seen the scan but still waiting for the report but it looks good that my lymph nodes were not so bright and started to discuss again radiotherapy. She explained it well and i agreed to this and was told i'd get some appointments though the post for both the step up, consent and tattoo and the treatments, and she'd let me know about the full scan reports.

Great i thought. I decided to take a few days away once i felt more passed the chemo and the letters arrived for the appointments.

I then had another letter for a new appointment to see me with the Oncologist, i thought ok that's just formal telling me the results, so i called and checked with my specialist nurse who confirmed it was just for the official results and asked to move it a few days as we had already booked a small break after the Chemo.  That was done and after our long weekend went to the appointment.

We ( my wife and I ) attended just expecting for what she had already told us to be confirmed... but.

She started with asking how our break was then followed with - any idea why i called you in?

We said well, to officially tell me the results.

We listened. 

She told us it was not good, that although the lymph nodes were not so bright that my cancer had spread to multiple lesions on my liver and also more on my spin in my chest area. That this was compared to my 1st scan and shows very aggressive cancer and did i want to know the time remaining. I little shocked by this sudden U-turn i nodded and was given 3 months, best of 6 months. This as shocking news - and took some digesting. Also that the booked radiotherapy would be cancelled and no longer being prescribed  Ensakutamide as it was clearly not working.

Still shocked - asked what my options were - she told me, nothing really - could try another chemo but the chances of it working would be very very slight and to come back in a week with a decision on what course i wanted to take.

We walked away totally stunned from  ' Doing great' to 12 weeks to live.

Took us more than a week to get past the news but i still had decisions to make.

After days of trying to weigh up - if or not to use the few remaining months trying on a very very slight change at the cost of being a chemo - which for im sure you know is a bit of a state - or just to enjoy what's left - i decided that the gap between the scans was too big, and that had the previous chemo helped or not? So i wanted more educated opinions. I reached back out to my hospice doctor who can see all Christies data and also called my specialist nurse at Christies to ask for a 2nd opinion to help make the decision.

The hospice Doctor was very helpful and helped weigh it up without giving a do this / do that, and i had an appointment with another oncologist. 

The Second Oncologist also tells me he has a smilier patient who's cancer was more advanced and was on a new drug which he was the 1st to use - but was only available for those who's cancer was from their hereditary and he had also requested a  BRAC test - which had come back negative so i was not a candidate.

i asked for another scan, as i was unclear if the chemo had really helped or not given that it was almost 6 months between the two scans, which was done and showed the growth had increased on my liver by a factor size of almost x3 and also in my lower lumber in my spin now as well.

The only option was the chemo for Adenocarcinoma which was Docetaxel with Prednisolone, a Max of 10 but a cycle of three, at three week intervals, then a scan to see if it's doing anything. He told me it was only a slight chance of 10-15% of helping. I asked what other options are left if this does not work - he answered with - none just quality of life.

Yesterday i have completed 2 of the 3 cycles, so i am trying to prepare for the consultation which will be after the 3rd cycle and scan with options.

So, i ask for help here - in the very unlikely event someone has the same as me - i would very much like to hear from you, and also - other options, hospitals either UK or EU who may offer something at this stage.

To close - i was 54 when i was diagnosed and even though my father had both prostate and bowel cancer mine did not come from him and i am glad to say my dads was caught early on and he's been clear for 7 years of both and is 90 next year.

Thanks again.

  • Hi DJBF,  I do not have the same Ca as you but I wanted to reply because your story sounds so tangled.If I had experienced the same unclear messy communication with my Oncology team then I would definitely be going elsewhere for a second opinion.I would approach The Royal Marsden as they are the gold standard.

    It will involve you sending your notes to them.You can see someone else here has gone down this route.

    I wish you well in your search.

    Lizx

  • Hi DJBF I havnt got similar but can relate to your situation.I started off with base of tongue cancer and treated then a neck dissection then treated again , then it spread to lungs and liver and have had immunotherapy which failed . I have been told I might risk ending up in hospital if I receive chemo again , Obviously I dont want to die but I dont want to risk spending my last days in hospital , I was given 2 to 4 months tops and this is ending shorty, I have been on 2mg of Dexamethasone and its like a new lease of life for me. I think between the oncologist and myself we have decided a course of chemo would wreck me so am content leaving it in the hands of God . I dont mean to sound negative but am talking about my own situation where even if the chemo did work I may just  get a few months extra . For me now its about quality of life , I dont do anything really but at least I can if I want , I mainly eat and sleep and go to the park and shops and that's it , But I am happy with that as not in any pain etc . I hope you get the result  or treatment you want . All the Best Minmax 

  • Hi

    I am so sorry to read about your situation. Have you posted on the prostate cancer forum? They maybe better with specific recommendations on 2nd / 3 rd opinions. Christie’s is the biggest Cancer centre in Europe and has an excellent reputation. 

    It is so hard for you as the progression of the disease is so sudden and rapid. It must be impossible to get your head around it. I was in a ‘similar’ situation. I was told there is possibility of cure via immunotherapy first, then been told actually was not the right candidate for it. Then went to a consultation for radiotherapy for cure and been told instead it was not possible and there is no curative treatment. It is such a shock. It really took some time to digest and accept the situation.

    I have seeked 2nd and 3rd opinions from RM and UCLH. After months of investigation and debate, the treatment plans from my local hospital turned out to be the right way forward. Although I did not regret checking my options but it took a lot of emotional energy and time out of me. 

    If it is possible, try to accept with your current treatment plan and living with cancer at the same time seeking 2nd/ 3dr opinions. 

    Take care 

  • Hi DJBF, The first thing I would advise is to copy then paste the above post to your Profile Page, that means anyone can click on your Username and read this. Then if you decide to go on another Forum to ask questions, you don’t have to repeat what you’ve said here. Normally it is the first thing people do before replying to a post but I noticed there was no info there.Just a thought!

    I don’t have experience of your cancers either but there is bound to be someone out there who has something similar. I actually turned down RT for pain relief as I have seen what damage it can do especially if it is not specifically needed. I wonder if you have considered a Trial Drug. I know you didn’t qualify for the other trial because you didn’t have the BRAC gene but there are thousands of trials being done all over the country, so it is worthwhile having a look. I wish you well and hope you follow in your father’s footsteps and carry on until you are a ripe old age.

    Love Annette x

    Yesterday is History, Tomorrow is a Mystery, Today is a Gift!!!
  • Hello  Thankyou for your response, I have googled to find Royal Marsden and have requested a (paid) review to see if there are other options for me. 

    I did change Oncologist after the 1st one as I felt their were too many u-turns etc, but so far have stayed within Christies .

    I appreciate you taking the time to reply.

  • Hi  ,

    Thanks so much for your reply. It is sad to read such accounts of your journey and although our Ca is different we are at a similar junction on our paths. 

    It's not negative at all, in fact quite the opposite to be able to accept and enjoy the time on the clock takes some inner mental and emotional strength. Keeping a sense of humour is perhaps the hardest part for me but really worth it.

    For me, I am not ready to stop fighting - the choice between a slight chance chemo and quality of life was offered and i opted to try 3 cycles, re-scan and see what's happening - like you, i dont want to feel rough, really ill or hospitalised for very little return wasting the precious time we have.

    I am still trying to find options, but also realistic of what my situation is - enjoying as much as i can what surrounds me.

    I really wish you a happy time and appreciate you taking the time out to reply.

  • I am sorry you are going through all of this and send you every good wish as you battle to find the right way forward for you. There is a lot to be said about a positive determination to fight and we know that there are often different paths to the ones preferred by certain doctors so yes keep looking and making plans until you are satisfied you've given your best shot. No one knows you as well as you know yourself! 

    I can't help with practical advice but I do know vitamin D from the sun and lots of laughter will keep you healing as you move forward. I wish you both x

  • Hi DJBF It was my sister 66th birthday yesterday and we have never really been close until recently. Her husband has been terminal for the last few years also , But I rang her to sing happy birthday etc and have a chat. She told me I wasn't a complainer which chocked me and nearly brought a tear to my eye. This conversation came about as I was telling her of a  ex mate who complains the whole time of being 80years old and lets everyone know. Fortunately for him  he hasn't being in my company as I would tell him to do everybody a favour and just f---king die miserable b----tard. What the hell has he got to moan about selfish git . Two of my consultants said I had the right positive  attitude. which I really think helps me . We're all going to die at some stage and the sooner one accepts that the sooner one can move on I find. I was chatting to my mates girlfriend who is foreign and difficult to understand and a dietician and I told her I was eating things like lasagne and drinking milk shakes as I have swallowing issues and food coming out my nose etc , She goes on to tell me these foods will kill me . I tell her well they are doing a good job helping me stay alive lol . She then comments on how well I look and dont look ill at all considering I am suppose to be dead shortly. Got my oncologist calling on Friday to see if I am alive , Apparently I will be getting pains under my rib cage first. This is something I am trying to put off for as long as possible and hope it doesn't happen. If I thought there was any valve in having Chemo again I would but it is in my neck lungs liver and was in lymph nodes , Any chance is better than no chance and I think because my body has been bashed from previous treatments it would not manage it . I am just thinking of Scotty from Star Trek saying something to captain Kirk About the Enterprise not being able to handle it lol . My advise is go for it , Pedal to the metal and dont look back . All the Best Minmax