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Wow!  Ok, So i have never done this before... so not sure how this 'blogging' thing works, and i must admit.. i am not the strongest writer, so... so I'm just gonna write what i want to say.

Ok, so my mother who is 56 years of age, was officially diagnosed with Cholangiocinoma (still can pronounce it!) on the 15th September....pretty rubbish right?!...and it still doesn't quite feel real yet!

It all started back in June when my mother noticed that every time she ate food she had quite bad tunny cramps.  Now, my mother is NEVER ill, so off she went to the doctors..where the doctors diagnosed her with Colic! ... you know, the stuff that young babies get... they gave her some medicine for it, and after two or so weeks the pain went!... Great!  

But Mum being Mum wanted to know more.  The fact that is all her 56 years she had never been ill, or been on any kind of medication before didn't sit right with her, so she asked her doctor (after many emails and phone calls) to book an appointment for an ultrasound... to see if they could could pin point the exact reason why she was having such discomfort.  

The results of the scan showed that she did have some sort of mass on her liver.  She went for further tests...CT scan, PET, Biopsy, Blood tests etc....
From these test they thought the the masses on her liver was secondary liver cancer.  The masses were quite large.  On the left there is a mass that occupies most of that side, there is also a mass in the IVa segment measuring 3.8 x 2.1cm...and then lots of little cysts on her right lobe about 1.1 cm.  So yeah.. her liver wasn't look that great!

Now, although they could confirm that the liver masses was cancer... they couldn't find a primary.........
After a few more months of testing and prodding, they came to the agreement that the primary came from the bile duct... Which i just couldn't understand due to the fact that they are no lesions of masses there... I asked if they could do a biopsy on the bile duct to confirm there diagnoses, but was refused because they said that they want anything to biopsy... there were no masses on the bile duct!!!.. 
So i ask... how can they confirm that she has primary Bile duct cancer, when there isn't anything there???!!!  This is something that we both have been wondering about... and they still haven't given us a proper answer... so how can they be so sure....can anyone out there help with my question??!!!

Anyhoo... so they suggested that Mum start Chemo ASAP.  They wanted her to take GemCis chemo... and i thought that was all cool.. I thought mum would be all cool with starting Chemo.  i had already had my diary out booking time off work to be with her during the treatments...UNTIL WE GOT TO THE CAR PARK!...
My mother, then decided to drop the bombshell to me that she didn't want to do Chemo!!!!  I was stunned!!  My mother is a very very stubborn woman (thats where I get it from!) and no matter how much i tried to reason with her she didn't want to hear it.. her mind was made up..she just didn't want to do it!! 

She told me that she had been talking to a friend, who know a friend who was diagnosed with cancer, and was cured through holistic techniques???!!!!  WHAT!!!!!   I think that was the first time in my 30 years i actually swore at my mum.. I was just so mad.. she refused to listen to anything had to say about it.
  
She kept saying that Chemo is poison and that she didn't want to be blasted with chemical poison..she was coming up with all crazy stuff..she kept saying that chemo would kill her, and that she didn't want to spend days in bed, not able to walk!  I had no idea mum had such strong views on Chemo...i suppose we never had to discuss it before that day!

I spent the next few weeks researching other treatments apart from chemo... Surgery, Radiation, Cyberknife, Biological treatments... I presented my research to her doctor..and he said that they were all not suitable due to the size of the tumours.... GemCis was the only thing they could offer her!!

A few days later we went to see this 'Holistic' guy all the way on the other side of London.  I sooo didn't want to go... I tried everything to try to make her change my mind..and im not proud of saying I did try to emotionally blackmail her into changing her mind... i screamed at her, i cried to her, i pleaded and begged with her..not to go down this route...... But i took a step back, and made myself grow up a bit, and kind of realised that i shouldn't be spending my time fighting against her but should be there to support her...even though it went against EVERY FIBRE IN MY BODY!!!

So here we are talking to this holistic guy...listening to him completely 'Slate' (English Word - sorry) Chemo...saying how bad it is... how it would kill mum, how doctors and hospitals never see patients as individuals, but a number.  You have no idea how much i wanted to punch him in his face! (Sorry!  but i was ANGRY!!)  but I didn't... i just sat there, silently screaming internally! 
He explained to mum that she will be cured, if she followed his strict diet from now on... OH, and if she handed over a big fat cheque for £500!!!  I had to leave the room when she signed that cheque!!  i was so angry i just couldn't hold it n anymore.  i sat in the toilet and cried.  i just thought that everyone was against me, and that I was the one in the wrong!

The Holistic man explained that cancer cells feed of fat cells, and acidic blood, and in order to cut off the cancers food supply we had to get all the fat content out of my mums system an also to PH balance her blood.  So they put mum on a diet of Brown rice, beans, Japanese seawead and a small amount of veg.. She was also limited the amount of water she could drink!!!  She was also told to take a whole heap of supplements and chinese herbs.

She has been on this diet for a few months... and it truly has been the worse few months of our lives.
The side effects have been absolutely insane.  She has lost half her body weight.  she looks so old and tired, she has NO energy...even though the holistic guys said that her energy should be returning.. I mean, how can you possibly have energy from beans and rice?!!! She is constantly constipated. She cant even walk properly because she is just so weak..  The food she has to eat is so bland that she no longer looks forward to eating any more, which gets her down and depressed.  Her mouth has no saliva to lubricate her mouth, so she constantly dried mouthed, and she find it hard to talk.  Her voice is horse.

Before she started this diet, she was a strong, healthy happy woman... the woman  see now, just isn't my mummy.  But these holistic people just keep dripping poison in her ear saying that she must stick to it to be cured!  

And i don't know how longer i can stand there watching her disintegrate before my very eyes.  She had such a loud and infectious laugh... which i haven't heard in such a long time!!
I really don't know want to do. every day she is loosing more weight, and is getting weaker and weaker, but she just doesn't want the chemo..i think she is scared of what it will do to her, the side effects.  But you know, i put a £10,000 on it that she would no way feel as bad as she does feel now.

I am truly at my wits end.. I have no idea what to do to sway her mind.  I also worry that if she does turn around and say that she now want to do Chemo...im worried that the Holistic 'fools', have stripped my mother down so much she wont be fit enough to take the chemo on! ERGHHHH!!  
Does anyone have any advise...How do I I make her see sense???!!

....sorry for the long post!!!

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  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi Sowfi

    What a horrid place to find yourself.  I truly feel for you.

    My brother has secondary liver cancer (extensive) and they found the primary in his pancreas!  Old Man's cancer at 46!  He is terminal and they can only guess at 3-4 months as that's what they would give a 70 year old man.  However due to his lack of years and general fitness he is undergoing chemo in the hope it will give him a bit longer.

    As far as not seeing any tumours in the bile duct goes, from what I've been told by the time the secondary cancer is evident in the liver, sometimes the primary has dispersed.  Don't know if this is the case with your Mam so don't take what I say as gospel.

    As for your Mam not wanting chemo and going the holistic route, I think there are arguments for both.  However I do know if my brother had not started chemo he would almost definitely be bed-ridden now.  The chemo has helped his liver to start functioning a little again and the tumours are shrinking a little.

    BUT - a friend of mine was diagnosed with terminal cancer in her neck and refused chemo after a couple of sessions.  She uses holistic treatments and a macro-biotic diet which reduces the fats, etc., and she is still with us.

    I think other people may be able to help you more if you join the correct groups, ie secondary liver cancer and bile duct cancer.

    I hope that your Mam improves soon.

    Much love,

    Chrissie x

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi Sowfi,I feel for you and your Mum,My Pete as been on and off chemo for the past 6 yrs,He is terminal but we have had holidays ,cruises ,good days and bad days but we are still stood fighting.He has bowel liver lung cancer,you never know if the shrink the tumors on her liver they may operate and take part of her liver pete had the maximum taken he also as a stent in his liver where the tumor was pressing on his bile duct,he as had that in a long time,please read our file and tell your mum,you may have quite a few more hols and xmases in front of you who knows.hugs to you both,you can private message me anytime,love Chris.xx

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi Sowfi,

    I am really sorry about your Mum, I know everything you are going through on the bile duct cancer side of things as My Mum too had bile duct cancer. She was 51 when she passed away this year. I am so glad your Mum is still with you and managing to do what she is doing. I don't know much about how the bile duct cancer spreads but my I know you don't always get identifiable masses as such so the cancerous cells could have started growing in the bile duct but only caused a significant mass in the liver, we can only see what the technology we have is good enough to see.

    I don't know much about holistic care but I am so shocked that anyone would claim to cure cancer with this approach nevermind bile duct cancer. I really hope it has helped and My Mum couldn't even eat when she was poorly so she wouldn't have been able to do this regime and in the end she was never well enough for chemo either and never received a drop so I also can't tell you how good that would be! I understand what you are thinking about her feeling so unwell she might as well try chemo anyway as it won't make her much worse, and to be honest given correctly and with the right follow up and care at home the bile duct chemo regime is not very toxic compared to a lot of regimes. 

    I can tell you however that the only proven chance of survival is an operation, I would strongly urge your Mum to do everything she can to find about her surgical options and bear in mind that this cancer may not be aggressive and spread over the whole body but it can become serious very quickly as it is often intefering with such a crucial part of the body and it was the blockage of bile that proved deadly for my Mum not the cancer affecting the organs or anything like that and as far as we know it had not spread to anywhere else. There is no time to waste really as there is no easy way to treat this cancer. 

    Holistic care should include all options of healthcare I think, so if she can find some way to combine all options and get strength from the holistic therapies than she will be getting the best of both worlds. Has she had any scans or results to show any improvement or otherwise in the cancer since starting the holistic regime? and which hospital are you under? It's good to 'shop around' with this cancer also as different centres offer different options as it appears from posts on here.

    Hope this offers you some useful words and let us know how you get on x