Pleural Effusion intercostal drain

  • 2 replies
  • 36 subscribers
  • 594 views

I would have asked this question in the "Ask a Nurse" section but could not see a way to post it. So I'm asking here.

Hello, My mother has pleural effusion, a condition in which fluid builds up in the space between the lung and the chest wall.

My mother had an intercostal drain inserted that I had to drain every three days, now every seven days. At first we drained 1.5L, then 900ml, then 500ml, etc. The last two attempts have produced approximately 0–10 ml of frothy straw-coloured fluid; a recent ultrasound scan shows lots of bubbles instead. I think the nurse called it occulated.

Why would the ultrasound scan show that the pleural effusion has become occulated (lots of bubbles)? It reminds me of bubbles in a bubble bath, which makes draining the fluid impossible.

At first, the fluid was red (presumably because of the surgical procedure); now, after months of draining, we can see a small amount of frothy straw-coloured fluid in the tube, but when using the rocket chest drain kit, the fluid does not flow into the (vacuumed) bottle.

I've followed all the steps that I was trained to do before taking mum home (I am an experienced ex-healthcare assistant with NVQ level 3) I've even followed the problem-solving procedure, which made no difference, so it must be something to do with the fluid being occulated.

Why would the ultrasound scan show that the fluid has become occulated (bubbled)?

  • Hi Aedh Wishes. You can ask questions in the ask the nurse section, just as you have here by starting a discussion by pressing the + New that you find at the top of the page.

    I think as your question is medical, you will get a better answer in the ask the nurse. But don’t worry I will ask the moderator to move your post over for you. 

    All the best 

    Chelle 

    Try to be a rainbow,in somebody else's cloud
    Maya Angelou

    Community Champion badge
  • Hi Aedh Wishes

    Thank you for getting in touch with us. My name is Lynsay, I am one of the cancer information nurses on the Macmillan Support line.

    I’m am sorry to hear you mum has a pleural effusion. The drainage of this fluid can help improve symptoms, so it can be upsetting when this is fluid is no longer draining effectively.

    This can occur when the pleural effusion becomes loculated. What this means is that pockets of fluid have built up within the pleural space. These pockets develop through the build-up of fibrinous tissue (similar to scar tissue) which creates separate pockets of fluid rather than the fluid sitting freely in the pleural space.

    These loculations would have been visible on the ultrasound scan. The presence of loculations directly impacts the draining of the fluid, as the indwelling pleural catheter (IPC) will only drain fluid in the pocket at the site of the drain insertion. The other pockets are separated from this due to the build-up of the fibrinous tissue and therefore cannot drain into the IPC.

    Unfortunately, loculations are a risk factors that can occur from the IPC being present. They can also occur as part of the disease process. Your mum’s treatment team or Macmillan nurse (if she has one), will be able to advise about the best way to manage symptoms going forward.

    It can be hard caring for a loved one. It sounds as though you are doing a really good job. It is important to remember to look after yourself as well.

    If it would help to contact us to talk things through, please do not hesitate to call.

    All the best

    Lynsay

    Macmillan Cancer Information Nurse Specialist

    You can also speak with the Macmillan Support Line team of experts. Phone free on 0808 808 0000 (7 days a week, 8am-8pm) or send us an email