There's a Vibe ... and there are clinical trials and the wonders of 'backing up and restoring ...'

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I was going to preface this blog post by saying ‘I am a ‘Carer’ and my husband’s prognosis is very bleak indeed …’   However, I have several problems with that.  One is that the term ‘carer’ is not a term which fits me well because it suggests a stage of dependency which my husband has not reached and, as far as he is concerned, will not reach - ever.   And the other problems?  I am not prepared to go into those; suffice it to say I have been keeping an eye on the probable future and it terrifies me beyond thought and comprehension.

So here is the scene:  The Hounds have been enjoying the snow (it has been a good winter for skiers and snow-loving hounds) and they are gently snoring.  The whole household is exhausted – a great deal of time has been spent tracking down, fruitlessly, the missing mobile phone which has certainly found its way to sunnier climes – we suspect Cuba, via Stockholm.  However, we have discovered that we have inadvertently been using the ‘i-tunes’ ‘back-up and restore’ facility and so all is well, and Our Hero’s new phone is, almost, ‘restored’ to health. 

Our Hero is waiting to hear from the ‘new’  oncologist to find out whether there has been any adjustment to the treatment ‘plan’ – which is really no plan at all.   

There has been not a sound from that quarter.  

We suspect that we have been duped – it is all just a way of making us accept the inevitable – that there is no treatment any more on the NHS except …except for the clinical trial. 

Now, I know that there will be some of you out there who desperately want to be on a clinical trial – any clinical trial – particularly if you have got to the end of the road as far as treatment is concerned.  

And wouldn’t we all, in that situation? 

Which gets us to the gist of this – which is a question of medical ethics.   One of the trials which Our Hero may be offered has already been extensively trialled for lung cancer – with variable success.  The huge company who make this drug have,interestingly,  changed the name of the drug.  Our Hero is, according to the medics, dying but, because he did respond so well to chemo, and he is relatively young, he is a very much better subject than someone older and more compromised physically. (Better results, don’t you think?) It would probably be a Phase II trial which only requires – if you are a lucky researcher and can find enough people who have the ‘right’ kind of cancer in your area – about a hundred ‘patients.’   Then the trial will move onto Phase III – which will be a much larger study.

We have both ethical and logistical problems with this.  Any discussion with the oncologist who is doing the research will involve a hundred mile round trip and, therefore, a great deal of our time, and not inconsiderable expense.  It will, we assume, be a ‘double blind’ trial, so Our Hero may well be getting a placebo.  We might, therefore, be both out of pocket and, much, much more importantly, very much out of time.   

When I have mentioned the ethics of all this to one of the many oncologists we have seen, I have been told ‘that someone has to do it, how can we develop drugs, otherwise?'   After all, we are assured, it can only be done with ‘informed consent.’

But the question must arise, how can you get ‘informed consent’ from those who are, undoubtably, one of the most vulnerable groups of human beings you can ever encounter– the terminally ill?  How ‘informed’ and rational is any ‘consent’ going to be?

Forgive me for being cynical, but the question must be asked: who is going to benefit from this most?   Does the word ‘exploitation’ not spring to mind? 

And before any of you get on your high horses and talk about altruism, and how wonderful it might be for others suffering from cancer in the future, just let me remind you about the position of these global drug companies:  they are not doing business for the greater benefit of mankind – they are doing it for money.   If they were altruistic, they would be giving away their drugs for HIV in developing countries; they would be tackling malaria … (and, Wise Old Cynic, if you read this, for TB) and so on. 

We are not talking here of anything which could be revolutionary like dendritic cell therapy which might trigger a targetted immune response against a specific cancer - a wonder vaccine -  we are just talking about another sort of chemo which has already been trialled on another sort of cancer.  And, as most of us know, some chemotherapy drugs which pass through all the clinical trials are not even remotely guaranteed to be effective – something we had not realized until Our Hero was through his third cycle and had ‘responded well.’   At the time, our oncologist’s delight bemused us – we had had no inkling that ‘response’ rates were statistically so low for this cancer.  Our naivety of course; we didn’t know what questions to ask.

And here we are:  still waiting to hear whether the new oncologist will at least ‘discuss’ the horrible radiotherapy and whether they will perhaps ask a liver surgeon to look at the case. 

In the meantime, an appointment has been made with that researcher ...

Ah – those ‘backup and restore’ functions; don’t we all wish ….? 

A blog from Buzzie - not yet really a 'carer', but caring very much ... 

 

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  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    I am really glad you did reply - because I would tell them to BEEP off too!  But it is not me who has to make the decision so I spill it all out here instead, as you can see.

    Here's to you staying in remission and keeping out of hospitals.  

    Take care - and look after that cold!

    xx

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi Buzzie

    I have a real problem with the entire concept of placebo and blind trials.  Surely with the passage of time and the fact that sadly cancer or all types have been with us since the dawn of time;  surly by now the medical profession will have information and research papers related to every aspect pertaining to each type of ca and it's generally recognised progress.  if not what have the previous trials and records focused on?

    so for agrument sake lets say that there is a wealth of detail related to the untreated progress of ca for those unfortunate enough to have been offered or deemed suitable for treatment. (sadly this is the case for some people).

    now we add in the research related to type 'A' treatment that has been used as standard for some time now; the medics would have info on how this progresses or behaves in relation to the given ca.  they are now researching type 'B' ca  against the previously known states and developemnts - imho a double blind or placebo based trial is unnecessary and unethical.

    it is the new treatment they are researching and not a new disease............!

    but then again who am I to question their methodology - ?

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi Juls - yes, I think that just about sums it up!  And it seems to be the way that they do it in other places, as Daffie pointed out.  

    And if there is anyone out there involved in research who can explain to me why a double blind trial is necessary for someone in my husband's situation - where there is no other treatment at all apparently (I am still hanging on to that 'apparently') - then I would really like to know what it is.  It should be easy enough to measure its success rate against all the other patients who are getting nothing at all, shouldn't it?  

    Just as a footnote to all this:  in these days of the internet, might it not  be fairly easy for people on the same trial to find each other and exchange information - the colour and taste of a drug, for example, thus undermining the whole trial?  It's a thought ...

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Just caught up with this.   Interesting discussion.

    One aspect of the business troubles me as much as "placebos" trouble me:  the fact that many drugs and treatments are in common use in other countries and yet must be tested all over for use in "our" country.  I'm a Canadian and I am quite happy to accept the results of testing in Great Britain, the U. S., or Western Europe.  But often this is not the case - the government of Canada requires testing here.   This strikes me as wasteful and wrong.

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    I do apologise for my mistakes and spell errors- they tend to happen when I'm fired up about a contentious issue and not wearing my reading specs (they were in my car and I was too eager to have my say!)