CLL Stress and Anxiety

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CLL Stress and Anxiety

No. of entries: 53 | Posted on 05 Nov 2012 04:25

CLL Stress and Anxiety

  • I explored stress and CLL life a year or so ago and was able then to conclude that managing stress was going to be an important part of my journey with CLL. How do I remove what may not benefit my general health over time? Does the stress induced by life with CLL have an effect on the CLL?

     

    There seems to be plenty written that is not CLL specific suggesting it may have an impact on life with the disease by further affecting our general health, immunity, disease progression and response to treatment? Enough for me to realise that stress management must play a significant role in our quality of life. There are so many ways we can improve this and so many different approaches to this. I’d be interested to hear how others combat it to enable them to get on with things.

     

    I noticed that NHS Direct Wales provide their own CLL overview (it is worth a read) and interestingly does acknowledge some of the possible psychological effects of living with the disease and recommendations to help with this. This may be useful when seeking support.

     

    Psychological effects

    Receiving a diagnosis of chronic leukaemia can be very distressing, particularly if it is unlikely that your condition can be cured. At first, the news may be difficult to take in.

    The situation can be made worse if you are confronted with the knowledge that even though your leukaemia may not currently be causing any symptoms, it could be a serious problem in later life. Having to wait many years to see how the leukaemia develops can be immensely stressful and can trigger feelings of anxiety and depression.

    If you have been diagnosed with leukaemia, talking to a counsellor or psychiatrist (a doctor who specialises in treating mental health conditions) may help you to combat feelings of depression and anxiety. Antidepressants or medicines that help to reduce feelings of anxiety may also help you cope better with the condition.

    You may find it useful to talk to other people who are living with leukaemia. Your GP or care team may be able to provide you with details of local support groups.

    Another excellent resource is Macmillan Cancer Support. Their helpline number is 0808 808 00 00 and is open Monday to Friday, 9am to 8pm.

     

     http://www.nhsdirect.wales.nhs.uk/encyclopaedia/l/article/lewcemia,chronig

     

    I know some of you have heart worries and other issues. Sometimes these may have hidden benefits and not just exclude us from treatments adding to stress. Good luck Jue and Sparkler with your monitoring I hope they get to the bottom of things for you.

     

    As a CLL nerd, I was helped to overcome the psychological effects of a recent intervention and diagnosis of heart disease. When I realised that the medications that it left me on may actually be helping my CLL. According to the findings of an animal study published last year by the Neuroimmunology Research Unit, Department of Psychology, Tel Aviv University Israel discussing a link between leukaemia progression and Psychological stress? It suggested a need for long term study of beta blockade( :  I am a lot calmer these days LOL. The paper is a bit scientific but it did show me a link.

     

    Do Stress Responses Promote Leukemia Progression?

    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0019246#s4

     

    Nick

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  • Hi there, I found this really helpful. He mentions stress about 5 minutes in to the video clip. You may have seen it already.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j40WYT7hAM

     

    It's been interesting and helpful reading the posts over the weekend around feelings of shame.

    best wishes 

     

    adam x

  • H i Sparkler

    You are right, it is often another issue that identifies it for us. It is also harder when the needs of the community may not be widespreadly recognised and not readily provided for also making it even harder to be able to act if your wish too. I find the link between the psychological and the physiological intriguing. The effect of stress on our immune system in particular, if we have a cancer of the immune system then this is directly affected in some way or other?

     

    I am interested in peoples coping strategies.

     

    Yes a chill pill could be one (prescribed LOL) I hope you can get your antibiotics too. it's good to hear you out and about a bit

     

    Hugs

     

    Nick.

  • Hey all,

    Dabbling with a bit of "mindfulness" training at the moment - sort of living in the moment meditation and gentle stretching routines. I do this in addition to walking loads, and more strenuous cardio-vascular exercise such as rowing and swimming.  I honestly find that the buzz I get from exercising is the best antidote to stress.  It also makes me feel as if I have at least some control over my body...

    check out the mindfulness master Jon Kabat-Zin  in this little taster session http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5Fa50oj45s

    and then work your way gradually through the four guided sessions (about 45 mins each) on this tape http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aoOlUWO_ak

    I love it - it makes me realise how much extra "stuff" is going on in my head all the time and getting in the way of just being grounded in the world.  It's hard to slow down at first though - see what you think...

    It's being used quite successfully  for depression and pain relief at the moment.

    Be interested in hearing what people think, or whether folks are already using this technique...

    Jules xxx

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     Thanks for the links Adam and Julia I will have a read and get back. Sparkler, laughter has to be high on my list I made a few notes last year that I can add to yours.and revisit.Here's a thought, laughter may improve our faulty immune system but:.

     

    Is there another side to CLL too; there is always the question if we should stimulate our immune system, could this stimulate the disease?

     

    Humour and the positive emotions – love, faith, purpose, determination, the will-to-live, and hope- are a powerful biochemical prescription for dispelling foreboding and despair, and the deep feelings of apprehension and panic that accompany serious illness. Humour radically stimulates the whole immune system, significantly increasing immunoglobulins and T cells, B cells, Natural Killer cells (which seek out and destroy normal cancer cells that they can recognise) and Cytokine Gamma Interferon (which inhibits tumour growth). Humour boosts the whole immune system.

     

    we know our tumour cells being part of the same system (B cells) cannot be recognised so I can justify why I don't laugh as much any more.

     

    So I don;t feel to bad when i'm  being a grumpy not so happy CLL patient some of the time.

     

    Boosting the immune system is a popular theme in fighting cancer and laughter underpins this. But its OK for us not to smile it may be good for us too. LOL???

     

    A funny

     

     

     

  • Stress and the Cortisol connection

    http://www.naturalnews.com/036273_stress_cortisol_sickness.html 

     

     



  • Hi Gang, I had a crap night as I misunderstood how to re register and hated being locked out. A clear head and it was straight forward. Anyone else having difficulty should read community news item for clear instructions that take you  through re registration and link you back here.

     

    Hi Adam, I enjoyed Dr Tam’s You tube talk form the Aukland CLL support group. An interesting set of four podcasts, I see he is a consultant haematologist with a special interest in CLL.  It was interesting to hear a southern hemisphere   presentation during a support group meeting.  I can see how it was helpful it was a very straight forward talk .  I found his comments about stress and the immune system very helpful and his pointing out that the immune system may be picking off the odd tumour cell helping to keep the disease under control. I had never heard this described like this. It clearly indentifies the benefit of not stressing the system ( I take back some of what I said in jest earlier)Thank you for the link

     

    Hi Julia great to hear that exercise is doing it for you, I have been a little lazy for a while now that winter is nearly here I do find it harder to get myself out there. I must try for that new puppy again ( I should have used my birthday). Thanks for the Mindfulness links I have had a go and will dabble a bit too it was quite hard for me.

     

    Hi Mike thanks for the link, I’m not sure about some of this, I was concerned about the recommendation the writer offers for regulating this??  “Simple solutions are to regulate stress by relaxing more, eating better, avoiding stressful situations and staying off Big Pharma drugs”.  As in Dr Tam’s talk avoiding stress and a balanced diet are recommendations.   coping strategies that others have found  helpful would be interesting to hear??  What did alarm me was advice in the article you posted suggesting we stay off “Big Pharma drugs”?  These are the only things that keep me alive daily and CLL treatments are manufactured by “Pharma”.  This was dangerous talk in my humble opinion and is suggesting actions that could cause harm?

     

    This Wiki article helps explain the role of cortisol and stress. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol

     

    From Macmillan: How complementary therapies can help “There are many different types of complementary therapy. You might find it helpful to see our information about choosing a complementary therapy. They may also be used alongside conventional therapies.  “

     

    Nick

  • Hi Nick,

    Yes, the article wasn't aimed at CLL patients, just a general audience.

    I assume enough intelligence to take from it what is relevant and leave the rest, I think everyone here can do that.

     

    Mikey

  • Hi Grumpy Sparky,

    Sorry you are feeling so bad. I thought you might appreciate a few Latin rhythms to get your lymph moving.

    So these are for you

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm9LheAJBzQ   (Speak low, Gato Barbieri)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VffRqNoy04E       (Latin Lady, Gato Barbieri and Carlos Santana)

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRIbuIeTew4&feature=related      (Europa, Gato Barbieri, written by Santana)

    If I remember correctly, you know Gato Barbieri?

     

    Mikey

  • I'm fine Sparky, nothing to complain about. 

    It's a nice sunny day here on the south coast so will probably take my sciatic leg for a bike ride along the seafront.

    I just love Gato Barbieri's music, listening to it now :) The Meercats like it too:-

    Mikey

  • Hi Jue,

    Grumpy's right!!  You have a sound heart!!

     

    Mikey

  • For stress and anxiety, a 'hands on' therapy has been proven to help, maybe the hospital does massages, reiki, Indian head massage or any other complementary therapies. 

    I am lucky in that our local row of shops has a hairdresser who has a small room for beauty, including massages.....as a carer, I need to buy it myself, but it really has done wonders when I was stressed out. 

    Hope something in the hospital can be found to help.....

  • Hi Guys,

     

    I’ve had a little too much dessert today. LOL Cheers Adam, great news about your ticker Jue!!

     

    Just back from a monitoring visit. All good. Didn’t see my consultant his day off, so no info! Frustrating GRRRR but that’s CLL life, these visits do unsettle us even if they don’t alarm us. LOL I am now seriously considering looking at therapies that will help dissipate or prevent some of these feelings.

     

    This link to an article written for the CLL support association may be of interest, it was written a while ago so the link to Macmillan How complementary therapies can help  information is headed Cancerbackup :

    The role of complementary therapies within orthodox medicine.

    http://www.cllsupport.org.uk/suzieruggles.htm

     

    The massage debate is one that has come round a before in the group. From what I have read it can depend to the individuals disease type, stage and circumstance the opinion of your consultant is important. I know someone expressed in an earlier group thread concern of spreading SLL through the lymph, SLL is the solid form of CLL/SLL confined to the nodes? (don’t know what the facts are) CLL is everywhere any way so I don’t worry about spread myself but I do  bruise, not because of the disease but heart medications. But a hands on therapy does feel so good!!!  I guess you know if you have too few or faulty platelets, check with your consultant first.

     

    If you are a cancer patient your therapist does need experience in massage of cancer patients. My nodal and tissue involvement is low so a therapist does not have to negotiate bulky nodes spleen or liver, I am very interested in looking at these therapies even though I bruise.  I was given a talk by an experienced therapist who is also an experienced NHS oncology  nurse and the thing that stuck in my head the most as she demonstrated on my friend was the benefit of the touch element of the therapy. The effect of skin to skin contact. An experienced therapist should vary your therapy to suit your needs? Penny Brohn Bristol are a good source of information: http://www.pennybrohncancercare.org

     

     I am not sure how you gain access to a NHS facility if you are not a resident patient?  Most often we are outpatients .  I remember there is a  warning about essential oils that may be contraindicated if you’re undergoing treatments. Anyone got info on how we can gain access to alternative therapies through the NHS if we are not in treatment or are  an  out patient?  

     

    nick

  • Hi all,I love the poster re: Stess is Deserrts spelt backwards! My 'stress' today was a big heap of profiteroles - Two of my friends took me out to lunch for my birthday, it was scrummy! Thank you all very much for your happy birthday greetings - much appreciated. Whilst I don't want to grow old (71 now) at least I am still here eh?Love to all, Lizzy xxx