scattering ashes

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It's been ten months, nearer eleven, since my father died and all this time his ashes have been sitting on a shelf in the undertaker's cupboard while my mother decided what she wanted to do with them.
My mother and I do not have an easy relationship: we don't 'do' feelings, for example, never have. This week, sherang up and announced that she and her large and weirdly-behaved dog were coming to see us. Oh the deep joy that filled our hearts.

After I had invited her to stay in our house (she suggested a hotel...) and the kids frantically tried to think of escape plans, she rang again and said she was going to collect the ashes and scatter them herself at a place in the Scottish Borders where she and my father had spent time together in their youth. She wondered if I would mind...

I think she should do whatever she wants with them and told her so. I wonder if I should have asked to be there too, but that seems intrusive. They were an intensely private couple (not a happy pair) so it makes sense for her to do it alone. I can't decide if I'm being tremendously altruistic or just copping out of an uncomfortable experience. If I were in charge of the ashes (as in, if she were no longer alive) I would organise some kind of little ceremony with readings and things that my father would have liked.

He was a very bookish man, and latterly became a rampant atheist, which fitted in nicely with all his other assorted bigotry and prejudices. His funeral was organised by my mother, as quickly as possible, and with a 'random' minister of the Church of Scotland (upon which father had decidedly turned his back years ago) and what was worse, a minister from EDINBURGH, father's most hated city. (God knows why. He hated innumerable towns, people, foods, countries, races, religions, authors -- mostly the female ones --, politicians, music, feminists. It was hard to keep up with all the 'forbidden' topics of conversation. Most of all, he detested my mother's parents (long since deceased) because they had failed to show him due reverence and hospitality in 1956. Or 1957, I can't remember as I wasn't yet born. But It Really Mattered.

He treated my mother like a punching bag: though not a hand was raised to her. Ems has written on here at length about domestic violence: that was my experience of life with my parents from early childhood until he was so doped up on morphine in the hospice that he could no longer speak. He was a cleverand highly-educated man, but with a very cruel side, and a vicious tongue. My mother put up with him, colluded with him, allowed him to treat her appallingly, and at various times defended him to me if I attempted to criticise or side with her against him. They seemed to feed off each other: miserable together, never apart.

She is bereft without him. I think she feels her life is over. I had wondered if perhaps she would discover a new lease of life, but that hasn't happened. Not yet, anyway.

I should add that his verbal and emotional abuse towards her seemed to escalate after he took early retirement: his 'power' and authority in his workplace was gone and he didn't have a captive audience for his 'wisdom' and opinions.

Intellectually, I want to feel sorry for my mother, and have frequent contact with her by phone, but on an emotional level, I don't like her as a person. She wasn't warm and loving towards me as a child, or as a young adult when I lived at home. I think, with the nenefit of my magnificent powers of 20-20 hindsight, that she resented me and was jealous of me because I deflected her husband's attention from her. She was very free with her hands and feet: lots of hitting, nipping, the occasional kicking... a lovely lady. Father once knocked me down so my head was cut open: she took me to the doctor and said I had fallen. I was about six or seven, and can remember being indignant that she was lying. There were bloodstains inside the red, tartan hood of my school coat. That was useful as another girl had the same coat and we could tell them apart!!!!!

Rambling on a bit now. Father's ashes? Weird sense of loyalty to his memory? What's that about? Ghastly people but blood relatives. As an only child with no other blood relatives I feel a sense of resposibility and duty towards my parents, but more than that? I don't think there's much else there. My children have some good memories of their grandparents. I think they made better grandparents than parents.

They belong in another world from mine and I would prefer if they stayed there.

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  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hi minima,

    I can totally empathise with you as I come from a very similar background. My mother kept my father's ashes in her bedroom until she died. I took her back to the crematorium on the anniversary of his death so she could look at the Book of Remembrance with the page open at her  "tribute" ("Love one Another" - how bloody ironic was that?!) and took some photos. She died eighteen months later. She was cremated, but as they lived in London I left my brother in charge of both sets of ashes. Years later he told me he had heard on LBC radio about  a ceramicist/sculptor who was experimenting with ash glazes & was looking for cremation ashes. He duly offered those of our parents. They were turned into glazes on two ceramic trees, which are now in storage somewhere. My mother's ashes produced a blue glaze & i idly wondered whether that was to do with her rare blood group - she had to carry a special card around with her. But the main thing for me was that it was dealt with and I didn't have to make the decision as to when/where/how.

    But - back to your point. I think you may be feeling guilt, quite inappropriately to my mind. However if it would provide "closure" (horrible word!) for you then you could suggest to your mother the ideas you're pondering. If she refuses you need do no more. If she likes the idea you may wish you'd never mentioned it given all the extra mum-related aggravation you'd suffer.

    Sorry i can't be more helpful. I sympathise with your predicament and just wanted to say so.

    With love and hugs,

    Twirly xxx

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Hello Minima,

    I felt sorry reading some of this ...... both for your mother in the way she was sometimes treated and for her treatment of you. In fact, it reminded me much of a Dickensian novel as in those days the man's words were absolute law as Head of the Family and obedience by all was order of the day ..... and your mum was being loyal to him, as was expected.

    Your father's ashes ? I really can't advise there as I have never been in that position ( my parents were interred ) so you will have to go on your own feelings ...... if it will make you feel better being part of the ceremony, then approach your mum about it and see what she says. Otherwise, you should leave it in her own hands to do as she will .....    

    Hope that you will be able to come to terms whichever decision is taken - it's not an easy one.

    Love 'n hugs, Joycee xxx

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Thank you so much, Twirly. Just needed a sounding-board... And you are always so rational. That helps. I think I'll leave things as they are. After all, a box of dust is a box of dust, not a person. Maybe it's wishful thinking back to the magical, rainbow-filled childhood that I didn't have... I have a very strong sentimental side and I need to keep a sense of proportion.


    Love you lots for being such a good friend

    x x x

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Thanks to you, Joycee.
    It's all a sad chapter in a book I don't want to open again but can't quite forget: quotations keep popping into my mind!
    Much love to you. Don't know where I'd be without you all.

    x x x

  • FormerMember
    FormerMember

    Dear Minima,

    I'm so sorry to read about your blighted childhood, my own was so different in that my stepfather was warned by my mother that if he ever laid a finger on me he would be out on the street. It was just as well for he was a horrid vindictive man and my mother deserved so much better.

    My mother on the other hand showed so much love for me and pride in my achievements which my step father always belittled. My mother was always a pleasure to be with.

    Had my mother died before my stepfather I would have broken off relations with him.

    I think your suggestion that you go with your mother is a lovely one and as for readings that would make it so special for your mother.

    I must say that in view of your past history that has confirmed to me what a lovely thoughtful person you are.

    And since you weren't born in 1957, can I be your honorary great great grandfather.

    Real Welsh cwtches,

    Odin xxx